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vdfnco
04-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Most departments us the same ranks (SGT, LT, CPT, etc), some use other forms of private and sergeant. But have you ever heard of a PD using warrant officer rank. The closest I have ever came to seeing this the CBP. They have a warrant officer type rank that is senior officer (I think). Or any other odd ranks that you have seen. My PD does not use LT you go from SGT to CPT.

3102
04-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Are you sure that it isn't an officer assigned to do warrants?

SgtCHP
04-05-2010, 06:40 PM
Here are the CBP rank insignia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol#Border_Patrol_.28OBP.2 9_Ranks_and_Insignia

I don't see any warrant officer insignia!

Solohammer
04-05-2010, 08:30 PM
The blue suiters use WO type insignia to show who is a journeyman and who isn't. There is also a special type of CBPO who's rank is slightly different. You'll have to ask one of them, though, that's all I know.

Sarge, those are our (USBP) ranks. The CBPOs are different. For example: First liners wear major's leaves. Ours wear captains bars. Their Journeymen wear warrant bars, ours wear nada.

S.O.444
04-06-2010, 04:14 AM
We use Officer (and FTO, which is basically Sgt over a trainee), Sgt, Lt, Assistant Chief, and Chief.

We also have a few Warrant Officers, but they are employed by the municipal courts and are not under the police department umbrella. They serve summons and make warrant arrests for Class C municipal courts warrants. They are fully commissioned peace officers, but work for the city courts. They do not respond to calls for service and while they are not serving warrants/summons, they work as bailiffs at city court.

Dingo990
04-06-2010, 05:26 AM
Eh no and I don't really see the logic why a PD would, except to be different maybe. Warrant Officers play an unqiue role in the military that doesn't really need to be replicated. It would be sort of like a PD having a Spec-4 instead of a corporal... no real point.

DARE_SUPPORTER
04-06-2010, 08:08 AM
My old sheriff dept =CPL, SGT, LT, CPT, Chief

New FED Dept =SGT, LT, CPT, Different levels of Commanders, Director

vdfnco
04-06-2010, 09:29 AM
yeah i don't see a need for them in the leo world. i was just wondering.

vfm208
04-06-2010, 09:41 AM
we had a 1st sgt at our department until recently. Other than that Officer -> PFC -> CPL -> SGT -> LT -> CPT -> Maj -> Chief.

just joe
04-06-2010, 09:52 AM
Same as Dingo...they serve a purpose in the military, but I fail to see the need for one in LE. I have never seen a dept. that has them.

SgtCHP
04-06-2010, 10:13 AM
Rank Structure for the CHP:

Commissioner - five goldtone stars
Deputy Commissioner - four goldtone stars
Assistant Commissioner - three goldtone stars
Chief - two goldtone stars
Assistant Chief - single goldtone star
Captain - dual goldtone bars
Lieutenant - single goldtone bar
Sergeant - Three stripes worn on the sleeves
Officer - badge with rank "Officer"
Cadet - collar insignia "CHP CADET"

Ranks for Lt and above are displayed on both shirt collars and the shoulder tips of jackets. The rank is also displayed on the lower banner of the badge.

3102
04-06-2010, 10:57 AM
Sheriff= single gold star worn on shoulder
Chief Deputy= gold CHIEF brass worn on shoulder
Captain= gold captain's bars on shoulder
Lieutenant= gold lieutenant's bar on shoulder
Sergeant= 3 gold chevrons on sleeve
Corporal= 2 gold chevrons on sleeve
Deputy= slick sleeve
Jailer= slick sleeve

Jim1648
04-06-2010, 10:43 PM
I seem to recall the Minnesota State Patrol Trooper pilots given the warrant officer rank. I don't recall if that is still the case, however.

The Anoka Police Department (MN) consists of 27 sworn officers, according to their website, but some time back they had numerous sergeant ranks. They probably only have a few sergeant positions, but I think they had a career development program in place where they had Staff Sergeant, Master Sergeant, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major, or something along those lines. Usually I only hear of different types of sergeant ranks in state police/highway patrol organizations. Again, back to the Minnesota State Patrol, back in the day I think a station sergeant was three stripes, but no rockers. I think a district sergeant may have been three stripes with one (or more) rockers. Of course, that may have all changed when they created the lieutenant rank. Hopefully a Minnesota Trooper can help me out with that one.

ateamer
04-06-2010, 10:59 PM
Our ranks:
Sheriff
Chief Deputy
Lieutenant
Sergeant
Deputy (FTOs wear corporal stripes, but have no supervision authority over anyone but trainees)
Correctional Sergeant
Correctional Officer
Sheriff's Security Officer (courthouse entry screening)
Civilian Employees
Trainees












Okay, just kidding on that last line. :)

EnWhyPeeDee
04-06-2010, 11:08 PM
Uniformed Members of the Service

Chief of Department - 4 gold stars
Bureau Chief - 3 gold stars
Assistant Chief - 2 gold stars
Deputy Chief - 1 gold star
Inspector - gold eagle
Deputy Inspector - gold oak leaf
Captain - 2 gold bars
Lieutenant - 1 gold bar
Sergeant - 3 blue stripes on sleeve
Police Officer/Detective-Investigator/Detective-Specialist - none

Lieutenants and above - white shirts
Sergeants and below - dark navy blue shirts

PPDSWD
04-07-2010, 12:10 AM
Philadelphia Police

Police Commissioner

Deputy Police Commissioner 3-star

Deputy Police Commissioner 2-Star

Deputy Police Commissioner 1-Star

Chief Inspector

Inspector

Staff Inspector

Captain

Lieutenant

Sergeant

Corporal/Detective (Same pay grades for both, just different jobs/titles. Detectives are not considered supervisory personnel, they are a civil service rank of their own and take orders from a corporal the same as a patrol officer.

Police Officer

Police Officer Recruit

kaohimaunu
04-07-2010, 02:31 AM
Haven't heard of warrant officers sonce my army days.

Muldoon
04-09-2010, 12:43 AM
I find it very interesting that Philly also uses the term "Inspector" to indicate a rank above Captain. I suspect our two departments may be the only ones that do this.

JTShooter
04-09-2010, 01:42 AM
PO, Senior Corporal (corporal stripes), SGT, LT, and then a bunch of chiefs...

mtxpro752
04-09-2010, 03:57 AM
LAPD RANK STRUCTURE

Civilian Police Comission, no uniform.

Chief of Police (1) 4 Stars

Assistant Chief (3) 3 Stars

Deputy Chief (8) 2 Stars

Commander (17) 1 Star

Captain III (34) Captain bars

Captain II (19) Captain bars

Captain I (21) Captain bars

Lieutenant II (169) Butter bars

Lieutenant I (92) Butter bars

Sgt II (465) Three stripes with bottom rocker / Detective III (343) Three stripes, bottom rocker and diamond

Sgt I (739) Three stripes / Detective II (715) three stripes w/ diamond

Police Officer III+1 Two stripes with star

Police Officer III (A lot) two stripes / Detective I Two stripes with diamond

Police Officer II no rank insignia (Nearly half the department)

Police Officer I no rank insignia

Police recruit, light blue uniform (aka smurfs)





http://a489.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/l_9557978deaaaf030a306485c243b9088.jpg

PeteBroccolo
04-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Royal Canadian Mounted Police:
- Public Servant (PS): Federal Government employee, seconded to the RCMP. Civilian administrative support staff, working as office clerks. No uniform;
- Civillian Member (CM): civillian employee of the RCMP. Specialized operational support staff, working as scientists, radio / computer techs, air / vehicle techs, communication centre operators. No uniform;
- Auxiliary Constables (A/Cst): unpaid, non-weapon-carrying/authorized civilian volunteers. Limited training and authority. Supposed to be restricted to police-community relations stuff. Wears a restricted uniform;
- Regular Members (RM): full-time paid, Peace Officer / Law Enforcement Officers, carrying firearms and wear a variety of uniforms, or plain-clothes. Ranks:
- - Special Constables (S/Cst): prisoner transport. No rank badge;
- - Constables (Cst): No rank badge;
- - Corporal (Cpl): 2 down-pointing chevrons;
- - Sergeant (Sgt): 3 down-pointing chevrons surmounted by a crown;
- - Staff Sergeant (S/Sgt): 4 up-pointing chevrons;
- - Staff Sergeant Major (S/S/M): responsible for discipline and deportment for a Division (usually = Province, which is kind-of like a State). A crown bracketed by oak leaves;
- - Sergeant Major (S/M): responsible for discipline and deportment for a Region (a group of Divisions). 4 down-pointing chevrons surmounted by a crown;
- - Corps Sergeant Major (C/S/M): most senior NCO. Advisor to the Commm re discipline, deportment and kit & clothing. Coat-of-Arms of Canada;
- - Inspector (Insp): in charge of larger Detachments or specialized Sections. A crown;
- - Superintendant (Supt): A pip surmounted by a crown;
- - Chieft Superintendant (C/Supt): 2 pips surmounted by a crown;
- - Assistant Commissioner (A/Comm): Commanding Officer of a Division. 3 pips surmounted by a crown;
- - Deputy Commissioner (D/Comm): Commanding Officer of a Region. A crossed sword and baton surmounted by a crown;
- - Commissioner (Comm): A crossed sword and baton surmounted by a pip surmounted by a crown.

Working uniforms for all ranks is medium-khaki-grey shirt, dark blue trousers with cavalry stripe, black basketweave leather equipment belt, black footwear, forage cap, dark blue external soft-body-armour vests (or white covert undershirt style) and dark blue jackets. Commissioned Officers may wear a white shirt.

Rank insignia is worn on sleeves on the epaulettes of shirts and operational duty outerwear. NCO insignia is sown on the right sleeve only of ceremonial dress - centre of the bicep for Cpl & Sgt; top of cuff for others.

Commissioned Officer insignia is attached to the epaulettes of ceremonial dress.

A/Cst & S/Cst wear a blue jacket and regular duty trousers for ceremonial dress.

Csts to S/Sgt wear a Red Serge tunic with full or stripped brown leather Sam Browne, dark blue riding breeches with yellow cavalry stripe, high brown leather riding boots with smooth rowl spurs for parades, or a gold and blue dress waist belt with gold buckle, straight legged dark blue and yellow striped tuxedo-style dress pants and black half-wellington boots with dress spurs, for formal occasions. A brown felt "stetson" or "campaign" hat with brown leather hat band, or brown fur flap hat or dark blue cloth with yellow ventilated centre band and black patent leather brimmed forage cap is worn, dependent on weather and duty.

S/S/M to C/S/M wear similar ceremonial dress, or a dark blue tunic, and can wear a sword. The C/S/M may wear a Commissioned Officer-pattern Mess jacket.

Commissioned Officers wear similar ceremonial dress, with dark blue cuffs on the Red Serge tunic, but also wear a military-style Mess jacket.

merlin436
04-10-2010, 07:37 AM
CBPO Journeyman Officer Rank bars...

http://i8.tinypic.com/6b0e690.jpg

Red Swan
04-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Sheriff
Chief Deputy
Sergeant


and the unofficial rank MFC "Mother Fu#ker in Charge" according to the Sheriff.. HAHA:):):)

RoadKingTrooper
04-10-2010, 03:47 PM
Always wanted the rank of:













Supreme Commander Western Hemisphere

K9Tom
04-10-2010, 06:13 PM
Our rank structure is pretty simple.


Patrolman/Detective-FTO is a patrolman
CPL.-only in patrol division
SGT.-patrol, admin and investigations
LT.-patrol, admin and investigations
Chief

TexasAggieOfc
04-10-2010, 07:44 PM
Our agency:

Chief = Plain clothes, no insignia, gold badge/gold banners (He's also the Sheriff, and only wears the SO uniform if he's in uniform, and then his insignia just says Sheriff

Sergeant = Depending on if he's wearing a shirt with the new patch or the old patch, chevrons on sleeves or on collar. Gold badge/gold banners

Senior Officer/Investigator = Gold Badge / Silver Banners - no special insignia (just PD in silver on collar)

Patrol Officer = Silver Badge / Gold Banners - no special insignia (just PD in silver on collar)

Squirrel
04-10-2010, 08:16 PM
Police Officer III+1 Two stripes with star

III+1? Did they forget the Roman numeral for 4? ;)

merlin436
04-11-2010, 12:31 AM
The blue suiters use WO type insignia to show who is a journeyman and who isn't. There is also a special type of CBPO who's rank is slightly different. You'll have to ask one of them, though, that's all I know.

Sarge, those are our (USBP) ranks. The CBPOs are different. For example: First liners wear major's leaves. Ours wear captains bars. Their Journeymen wear warrant bars, ours wear nada.

Unadorned...GS-05 and GS-07
Single silver stripe...GS-09's.
Silver LT bars...GS-11 CBPO Enforcement Officers
Silver Captain bars...GS-11 Team Leaders/OIC's/Port Directors(Not a common rank. I believe all GS-11 PD's have been upgraded to GS-12's by now. VFS still offers the rank in the uniform catalog though, so there are still a few officers about authorized to wear the rank)
Gold Oak Leaf...GS-12
Silver Oak Leaf...GS-13
Silver Eagle...GS-14
Single Silver Star...GS-15(generally PDs in larger ports)
two or more Silver Stars...SES management...usually Field Office Directors and above.

Generally, first line sups are GS-12's...as you stated. It's not common but there are GS-12 and GS-13 Officers about who are not in supervisory positions.

foinse
04-11-2010, 03:16 AM
Last time i heard of a warrant officer was talking to a friend in the Naval service.

Rank structure of An Garda Siochana (Irish National Police)

Commissioner
Deputy Commissioner
Assistant Commissioner
Chief Superintendent
Superintendent
Inspector
Sergeant
Garda
Student
Reserve

Garda rank and Sgt Rank wear their divisional numbers (usually letters which signify their division and numbers to identify them on shoulder epaulets, no name plate or badge is worn on the chest.
Pictures of rank insignia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Garda_rank_insignia)

Five-0fromSoCal
04-11-2010, 04:08 AM
LASD rank

Sheriff (5) stars

Undersheriff (4) stars

Asst. Sheriff (3) stars

Division Chief (2) stars

Commander (1) star

Captain (2) bars

Lt. (1) bar

Sgt. (3) stripes

Deputy (training officer, detectives, ,most specialized units all have 2 stripes. Master training officer 2 stripes with rocker. 2 stripes is not a rank)

mtxpro752
04-11-2010, 06:14 AM
III+1? Did they forget the Roman numeral for 4? ;)

It's so you don't think it's a PIIII, a 3+1 is a P-3 at an advanced paygrade, either a Senior lead officer at a division or a team leader in metro division.

Squirrel
04-11-2010, 03:53 PM
It's so you don't think it's a PIIII, a 3+1 is a P-3 at an advanced paygrade, either a Senior lead officer at a division or a team leader in metro division.

So it's higher pay, but same authority as a P3 then? Does a P3 outrank or have authority over a P2?

I guess where I'm going is, why not just call it a P4?

I guess I'll address the initial question here, too. It'll probably explain why I'm confused.

The "rank" structure in the NPS is willy-nilly, to suit the needs of the particular park. Some parks are bigger, with more districts and sub-districts, which creates more layers in the hierarchy. Some are pretty streamlined. The position titles vary, as well.

The best way to look at it is based on the pay grades.

GL-5 - Patrol ranger, either a trainee-level permanent, or a seasonal
GL-7 - Patrol ranger, either a developmental-level permanent, or a seasonal
GL-9 - Patrol ranger, full performance permanent - this is the highest grade you can reach non-competitively. I think I may have also seen some GL-9 sub-district rangers. And some parks might even have just one LE Ranger, who is usually a GL-9, and reports directly to the park superintendent.

A 9 may be expected to be a "lead" or mentor for a 7 or a 5, but in the strictest sense, they don't "outrank" or have any supervisory authority over them -- unless a park makes a 9 an acting district ranger or acting chief when the actual person is away -- or they make a permanent 9 a supervisor over 5/7 level seasonals.

GL-11 - Supervisory position filled by competitive examination process. Can be an assistant chief ranger in some parks (for example, a park with only one district), a district ranger (in a park with two or more districts), or a sub-district ranger (in a park which divides its multiple districts into sub-districts). I've also seen some GL-11's called shift supervisors -- responsible for everything that goes on on their shift -- versus a district ranger who is responsible for everything that goes on in their district, regardless of whether it's on their shift or not.

GS-12 - Supervisory. Might be a chief ranger, might be a district ranger. It depends on the structure of the park and what kind of position the GL-11 fills.

GS-13 - Probably a chief ranger. I think I've seen a few GS-13 (could have been 12's) announcements at larger parks that were, like, "Deputy Chief of Emergency Services," "Deputy Chief of Law Enforcement."

I don't know if we have any GS-14 chiefs, but if they exist, they're probably at the big icon parks, like Yellowstone.

It all comes down to span of control -- the bigger the operation, the more bosses you need to oversee the worker bees. And since we do all-hazards response, including structural and wildland fire, EMS, tech rescue, SAR, etc., there may be a lot of folks in the "Resource Protection" Division -- although not all of them are commissioned Rangers.

And to make it even more fun, consider this: If a park runs a structural fire engine, for example, and it's staffed with cross-trained LE folks, the command structure goes out the window. A patrol ranger may be the highest trained and certified firefighter, and be the officer-in-charge on the engine, giving orders to a district ranger who's only qualified as a firefighter. Or heck, you might even wind up with an interpretive ranger riding as OIC, giving orders to the park's chief LEO, because their authority changes with the job task at hand.

Oh. And the only rank differentiation for LE Rangers comes in the badges, if it says "Park Ranger" or "Chief Ranger." No collar brass, sleeve stripes, nothing.

Solohammer
04-13-2010, 07:34 PM
Unadorned...GS-05 and GS-07
Single silver stripe...GS-09's.
Silver LT bars...GS-11 CBPO Enforcement Officers
Silver Captain bars...GS-11 Team Leaders/OIC's/Port Directors(Not a common rank. I believe all GS-11 PD's have been upgraded to GS-12's by now. VFS still offers the rank in the uniform catalog though, so there are still a few officers about authorized to wear the rank)
Gold Oak Leaf...GS-12
Silver Oak Leaf...GS-13
Silver Eagle...GS-14
Single Silver Star...GS-15(generally PDs in larger ports)
two or more Silver Stars...SES management...usually Field Office Directors and above.

Generally, first line sups are GS-12's...as you stated. It's not common but there are GS-12 and GS-13 Officers about who are not in supervisory positions.

Thanks for the clarification. I also noticed that for the most part ya'll wear slip on epaulet rank, where our supes wear collar devices with another device pinned to the outermost part of their epaulet. We also wear spiffy subdued rank devices now, too. Stay safe, Brother.

rgv_cop
04-13-2010, 10:15 PM
A local sheriff has like 100 stars and an eagle on each collar to look the part. Of course this is the same person that wear pants 4 sizes to small under his gut. :rolleyes:

hpdtruckcop
04-14-2010, 02:52 AM
LAPD RANK STRUCTURE

Civilian Police Comission, no uniform.

Chief of Police (1) 4 Stars

Assistant Chief (3) 3 Stars

Deputy Chief (8) 2 Stars

Commander (17) 1 Star

Captain III (34) Captain bars

Captain II (19) Captain bars

Captain I (21) Captain bars

Lieutenant II (169) Butter bars

Lieutenant I (92) Butter bars

Sgt II (465) Three stripes with bottom rocker / Detective III (343) Three stripes, bottom rocker and diamond

Sgt I (739) Three stripes / Detective II (715) three stripes w/ diamond

Police Officer III+1 Two stripes with star

Police Officer III (A lot) two stripes / Detective I Two stripes with diamond

Police Officer II no rank insignia (Nearly half the department)

Police Officer I no rank insignia

Police recruit, light blue uniform (aka smurfs)


Holy Hell! Fairly sure that's more cops than there are in my entire state!! Our rank structure goes:

Chief
Deputy Chief
Captain
Sergeant
Detective Corporal
Detective
Patrol Officer

DR-80
10-14-2010, 06:48 PM
I was wondering if someone could help me better understand the job/duties of a Chief Inspector/Inspector in a U.S. Police Agency. I'm not talking about the detective Inspector rank, specifically the Officer Inspector Rank/Position.

I've done some research and cant seem to find any good solid descriptions especially for U.S. Agencies.

Thanks

DR-80

Top Hat
10-15-2010, 08:34 AM
Minnesota State Patrol Rank structure

Trooper (MSP brass)
Lieutenant (Gold single bar)
Captain (gold double bar)
Major (Oak leafs)
Asst. Colonel (silver oak leaf)
Colonel (Cheif) (Gold eagles)

Other than the dress maroons, all insignia is on the collar, nothing on the shirt sleeves.

Years past they had a rank of corporal, but have since phased that out
We do have sergeants, but they are not supervisors, they are specialtly positions (ie station sergeant does scheduling, tech sergants are crash recons, investigators.....)

Our aviation section has a whole other rank structure (I would have to dig out the old general orders to get the specifics)
Our pilots are all Troopers, but have ranks of Cheif Warrant Officer I II and III I believe.

bj47512
10-16-2010, 07:48 AM
Starting from the bottom of patrol division
PPO (Probationary Police Officer) aka boot
PO (Police Officer)
Corporal
Sergeant
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Deputy Chief

In the Investigations Division
Detective
Corporal Detective
Sergeant
Lieutenant
Major

Obviously the Chief covers both facets of the department. I am a Corporal Detective meaning that if the Sergeant's gone, I assume the responsibilites of his position. This is not a hard rank in my agency but we are compensated for the possibility of being in charge. Corporal on the patrol side is the same. We also have FTO's but they are in charge of the PPO's and still have to answer to either the Corporal or Sergeant depending on how much the Sergeant's manages his squad. Also Detective's is not a promotion, it is a lateral move but we do have grades depending on tenure.

Of course every agency is different because the Sheriff's Office detective's/agent's IS a promotion and they get compensated well for it.

Iowa #1603
10-16-2010, 11:13 AM
I was wondering if someone could help me better understand the job/duties of a Chief Inspector/Inspector in a U.S. Police Agency. I'm not talking about the detective Inspector rank, specifically the Officer Inspector Rank/Position.

I've done some research and cant seem to find any good solid descriptions especially for U.S. Agencies.

Thanks

DR-80

It would depend on the agency.

For example................in some agencies a Captain is the division head...................In others they are the watch commander. In some agencies the Captain runs the station. It all depends on what the boss wants.

Some agencies get creative with their promotional ranks......................the can create a "rank" to promote someone to --------as a feel good rather than give them a raise.