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FNA209
10-06-2009, 04:12 AM
Don't know if this is true, but I just found an article which stated the Judge in the "birther suit" against Obama ordered discovery. Allegedly -
Obama Birth Cert-Judge David Carter orders discovery.
What Obama must produce, Has Just 30 Days.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchd…og groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
If it's true, it may prove interesting. I don't believe it'll make any difference, but...
livestrong6
10-06-2009, 04:52 AM
More then Likely it's not true because you didn't bother posting the link.
FNA209
10-06-2009, 05:21 AM
More then Likely it's not true because you didn't bother posting the link.
Well, I saw it on another LE forum. I didn't link that forum on this one because that one is still relatively clear of liberals. I'd get banned from it if some of the frequent posters here started going there. :D
Since there was no link posted on the information in the thread over there, I noted in my post here that I couldn't prove it. I suppose you could do a search if you are that interested in disproving it instead of taking a back-hand swat at me. Nah... what am I thinking? :rolleyes:
Or we can wait and see what comes up on the subject in the next few days. Regardless, there are probably some people around here a bit more interested in it than you. Even an alleged story may give them hope for change. And that's what the last election was all about so if the story is true or false, it's still all about Obama. And that's what's important.... isn't it?
No decision for birthers on proof of Obama's citizenship
October 5, 3:57 PM San Diego County Political Buzz Examiner Kimberly Dvorak
In a Santa Ana, California Federal Court today, Judge David Carter put off ruling on President Obama’s birth certificate. At the end of the two-hour hearing there was no ruling on the Motion to Dismiss or the plaintiff’s bid to grant discovery leaving only a glimmer of hope this case will move forward.
The plaintiff’s and their supporters were understandably disappointed. “The powers that be must have got to the judge,” says Neil Turner, who attended the hearing. “It’s just more of the same.”
Judge Carter cited the need to sort out all the complex legal issues and consider all the arguments carefully before he was prepared to render his decision.
The plaintiff’s attorney, Gary Kreep, argued the case does not involve impeachment because they claim Obama has entered into office unlawfully which should make this ruling easier.
The court is now in recess until the Judge Carter makes his decision. The case could take 24-hours to 24 months to come to a conclusion.
Today’s lack of finality has sent some birthers to seek their justice in a criminal court room. “We are not going away and will not stop until we have the truth,” Turner finished.
www.examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-Diego-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m10d5-No-dicision-for-birthers-on-proof-of-Obamas-citizenship)
dadyswat
10-06-2009, 06:42 AM
I really hope some judge has the balls to make this arrogant Jerk produce the documents. John McCain went through it and it was reviewed by members of Congress. On the other side I think if there was really something to find the Clintons would have come up with it but I just want someone have him actually follow his transparency pledge.
This has to be the most corrupt administration to ever come down the pike.
BigPat
10-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Don't know if this is true, but I just found an article which stated the Judge in the "birther suit" against Obama ordered discovery. Allegedly -
Obama Birth Cert-Judge David Carter orders discovery.
What Obama must produce, Has Just 30 Days.
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchd…og groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
If it's true, it may prove interesting. I don't believe it'll make any difference, but...
I would assume that this would be false since everything on that list aside from teh birth certificate is completely irrelevant to determining citizenship. (accept maybe Item 12, but that would only be relevant if he were born abroad).
Medical Records? Kindergarten records? Do these birthers realize how ridiculous they sound?
I would assume that this would be false since everything on that list aside from teh birth certificate is completely irrelevant to determining citizenship. (accept maybe Item 12, but that would only be relevant if he were born abroad).
In this situation even 12 would be irrelevant. marriage has nothing to do with the citizenship of most people. There is a very small minority of people it does effect, but not at the time when Barry was born.
dadyswat
10-06-2009, 12:11 PM
College records could be very important if went through as a forgien student.
Also his passport records since he traveled to Pakistan when American citizens weren't to go there.
BaldOldWhiteGuy
10-06-2009, 02:35 PM
I personally don't care if he is a Kenyan or not... I don't care for him because he is an America-hating Marxist.
On the other hand, I would be hard pressed to find most of those items... Glad I don't have to prove that I am native born!
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4463&Itemid=53
By Bob Allen
Tuesday, October 06, 2009
SANTA ANA, Calif. (ABP) -- A federal judge heard arguments for three hours Oct. 5 about whether or not he should dismiss a lawsuit questioning Barack Obama's birthplace and the legitimacy of his presidency. In the end, U.S. District Court Judge David Carter decided not to rule immediately, saying he needed more time to consider arguments made both during the hearing and in written documents.
Carter did refuse, however, to grant a motion by former Southern Baptist Convention second vice president Wiley Drake and another plaintiff in the suit to separate their case from other plaintiffs represented by Orly Taitz, a California lawyer, dentist and real-estate agent they fired as their attorney in July.
Drake's new lawyer, Gary Kreep, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, told the pro-"birther" website Give Us Liberty that whether the judge will allow the case to move forward is "all up in the air."
"I would have expected the judge would have decided by now but he made it very clear that he's taking it under submission and he will issue a decision sometime this week, and we're just now in waiting mode," Kreep said. "No matter what happens in this decision the loser I'm sure will appeal."
Wiley Drake is interviewed on Give Us Liberty after a hearing on his lawsuit challenging the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency.
Observers in the courtroom said in Internet reports that the tone of Carter's questioning made it appear he was leaning toward dismissal. Several other lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility to be president have been dismissed, and the birther movement has pinned its hopes on this one.
Whether the case moves forward hinges on two issues. One is "justiciability." The Constitution vests sole power to impeach a sitting president with Congress, and government lawyers say it is not up to the courts to decide.
The second is standing. A plaintiff claiming harm must prove that the harm is not "speculative and hypothetical." During the hearing the judge commented several times that he was most concerned about standing.
Drake claims harm because he was Alan Keyes' running mate in California for the American Independent Party in the 2008 election. After the hearing Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif., voiced displeasure with Carter. Drake told Give Us Liberty that after previously saying it was important for both parties and the nation to resolve the issue on its merits, the judge now is waffling over technicalities.
Taitz has become something of a mini-celebrity in recent months, appearing on cable-television news shows to defend her charge that Obama was actually born in Kenya -- and therefore ineligible for the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born" American citizen. She has produced a succession of documents, alleging each time that it is Obama's actual Kenyan birth certificate. Their authenticity has been widely discredited.
Obama has posted online images of his birth certificate, showing that he was born in Hawaii to an American mother and Kenyan father. Independent journalists and fact-checking groups have examined it and affirmed that it appears authentic. Hawaiian state officials -- including the state's Republican governor -- have also indicated that the document is official.
But that hasn't stopped conspiracy theorists who believe Obama is attempting to hide the truth about his background. Taitz said she believes something has occurred to influence the judge to change his mind.
"It was not the same Judge Carter that I've seen in July and not the same Judge Carter that I've seen in September," she told Give Us Liberty. In those hearings, she said, Carter assured the plaintiffs their case would be decided on merits and not dismissed over a technicality like standing.
"It looked and sounded [like] there was some kind of influence, because he spoke completely differently from the way he spoke in July and September," she said.
Monty Ealerman
10-06-2009, 05:45 PM
That is a misleading article. The only certificate Barry has produced is from 2007. It is asserted by the State of Hawaii that a 1961 certificate exists and has been been examined and been determined to be authentic by Hawaiian Officials, but that by Hawaiian law, it may not be released without Barry's consent. Apparently no-one in the media is allowed to confront him in public on live TV about why he hasn't issued that consent. Why does Barry silently decline to release the original certificate?
E3CSHARP
10-06-2009, 06:12 PM
Because it is senseless.
I must say good luck to all the crazies with this nonsense.
BaldOldWhiteGuy
10-06-2009, 06:21 PM
Would you rather...
be glad you don't have to prove that you're native born, or
be glad you are the President of the United States?
Luckily I'm just a boob cop from a ridiculously small department who will never have to face that dilemma. :rolleyes:
But - if I was president I would invite more cops to the White House for beer!:D
BaldOldWhiteGuy
10-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Because it is senseless.
I must say good luck to all the crazies with this nonsense.
Actually I believe there are only two valid reasons that he would not:
1.) Because he was born in Kenya, or went to college as a national from another country and he wants to avoid the constitutional nightmare...or unemployment, or
2.) Because it keeps people from digging into verifiable nightmare stuff, like the government taking over a big chunk of the auto industry, the insurance industry, the banking industry, the government controlling salaries of the executives of said industries, the government in bed with ACORN, the wasting of billions of dollars on pork for democrat special interests, broken promises about Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Unemployment, Spending, Earmarks, Lobbyists, ad infinitum.
Just my 2 cents...
BOWG
E3CSHARP
10-06-2009, 06:35 PM
We have to be realistic here, the powers that be will not allow this to go much further. They will palsy around and give folks their time in court but in the end this effort will fail other than get some individuals riled up.
If there is a good argument to be made, why didn't the Republican Party make it?
tony.o
10-07-2009, 01:50 AM
If there is a good argument to be made, why didn't the Republican Party make it?
Because John McCain didn't want to.
FNA209
10-07-2009, 02:38 AM
[QUOTE=BigPat;2009491]I would assume that this would be false since everything on that list aside from teh birth certificate is completely irrelevant to determining citizenship. /QUOTE]
No, you're wrong if some of the information they think they can prove is correct. They allege he attended at least one of the colleges/universities and was listed as a foreign student. I recollect reading something about that when the whole birther thing started- they pointed to his Occidental College records. So if he attended that college and listed himself as a foreign citizen, it'd have a bearing on the case at hand... wouldn't it? He'd then have to either admit he did have a foreign citizenship or admit he lied and took aid illegally which would be fraud.
Passports would prove or disprove the claim.
His Punahou School records would also likely be a good vehicle for showing what country he claimed as citizenship.
So, those birthers you so causally dismiss as ridiculous obviously have a better understanding of how to investigate something than you do.
But, as I had said time and time again, it ain't gonna make any difference. Even if it's proven he isn't eligible, he will serve his term. America would melt down if he was removed. The fact that he may not be eligible is moot. Too many people don't care that there may be a violation of the Constitution.
In fact, even if it's proven he isn't eligible, there are a lot of people who would vote for him again in 2012. The Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore to a lot of alleged Americans.
FNA209
10-07-2009, 02:44 AM
Anyway, thanks to all who don't sleep all day for finding the news stories that clarified the alleged breaking story I saw. Google Fu is strong with you guys! :D
BaldOldWhiteGuy
10-07-2009, 06:08 AM
Exactly. So no need to feel so relieved that you won't be forced to prove that you're a "natural born citizen."
We might be having a failure to communicate... Did you somehow take offense to that jest? I don't know why you would, but you've commented on it twice...?
Not trying to be confrontational, I just don't get your point.
Just so you know, my only point in making that comment was that I would be hard pressed to find most of the items that were on the list if a court told me to, that is all. I was certainly not condoning the president's not releasing his papers. After all, years ago I had to dig up all my papers, which are all now public record, and that was just to pass the background to be a PO, much less the highest public office in the land...
BOWG
I think the best anyone could hope for is that Obama fraudulently claimed foreign citizenship to obtain tuition assistance for college. The idea of natural born citizen is not settled law, mainly because no court has settled it. I think even if it does come out that he was born in Kenya, the court will rule that since he was a citizen at birth he is a natural born citizen. Just as many children of military members are natural born citizens, even though they are born on foreign soil.
dadyswat
10-07-2009, 06:26 AM
Because it is senseless.
I must say good luck to all the crazies with this nonsense.
I had to show just to get my drivers license but he doesn't have to show his?
dadyswat
10-07-2009, 06:30 AM
We might be having a failure to communicate... Did you somehow take offense to that jest? I don't know why you would, but you've commented on it twice...?
Not trying to be confrontational, I just don't get your point.
Just so you know, my only point in making that comment was that I would be hard pressed to find most of the items that were on the list if a court told me to, that is all. I was certainly not condoning the president's not releasing his papers. After all, years ago I had to dig up all my papers, which are all now public record, and that was just to pass the background to be a PO, much less the highest public office in the land...
BOWG
You wouldn't to find them just give permission to release them.
BaldOldWhiteGuy
10-07-2009, 06:55 AM
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Citizen85
10-07-2009, 09:56 AM
In fact, even if it's proven he isn't eligible, there are a lot of people who would vote for him again in 2012. The Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore to a lot of alleged Americans.
Dang, I had no idea that a person's "American-ness" could be so easily be determined by their acceptance that a 200 year old document is infallible.
BigPat
10-07-2009, 10:46 AM
No, you're wrong if some of the information they think they can prove is correct. They allege he attended at least one of the colleges/universities and was listed as a foreign student. I recollect reading something about that when the whole birther thing started- they pointed to his Occidental College records. So if he attended that college and listed himself as a foreign citizen, it'd have a bearing on the case at hand... wouldn't it? He'd then have to either admit he did have a foreign citizenship or admit he lied and took aid illegally which would be fraud.
Whether he was listed as a foreign student would have *ZERO* bearing on his actual citizenship.
[quote]
Passports would prove or disprove the claim
He has produced a passport and that does significantly strengthen the case for Obama that he is a citizen. Unless he was denied a U.S. passport (which he wasn't) it would not help the "birthers" case at all.
His Punahou School records would also likely be a good vehicle for showing what country he claimed as citizenship.
They would have *ZERO* relevance to his citizenship. If his parents did claim another citizenship in order to enroll him into school it would not change his citizenship. Mexican nationals do this quite a bit, and it does not affect the citizenship of their kids.
Have you ever dealt with immigration and nationality law? I have. I have also been to Federal court when people have had false claim to citizenship charges and seen what defenses are used and what is generally accepted as evidence in those cases. I know a pretty good deal about this particular subject.
In this case, a U.S> Birth Certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii definitively proves that he is a U.S. citizen.
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But, as I had said time and time again, it ain't gonna make any difference. Even if it's proven he isn't eligible, he will serve his term. America would melt down if he was removed. The fact that he may not be eligible is moot. Too many people don't care that there may be a violation of the Constitution.
In fact, even if it's proven he isn't eligible, there are a lot of people who would vote for him again in 2012. The Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore to a lot of alleged Americans.
There is no need for hypothetical situations because we already know that Obama is a U.S. citizen. The "birther" argument is a silly conspiracy theory. Those guys have as much credibility as the "9/11 truthers".
BigPat
10-07-2009, 10:50 AM
College records could be very important if went through as a forgien student.
Also his passport records since he traveled to Pakistan when American citizens weren't to go there.
That is not true and has already been debunked. American citizens were allowed to travel there at the time of his trip.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/more-birther-nonsense-obamas-1981-pakistan-trip/
In this case, a U.S> Birth Certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii definitively proves that he is a U.S. citizen.
He hasn't revealed his birth certificate. It was a certification of live birth, which is not the same thing and it proves nothing.
Hawaiian law -- specifically, Section 338-17.8, titled "Certificates for children born out of State" - makes state birth documentation available to children born out of state, even born out of the country.
As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State (www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-.htm).
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”
BigPat
10-07-2009, 11:20 AM
He hasn't revealed his birth certificate. It was a certification of live birth, which is not the same thing and it proves nothing.
Certified Birth Abstracts like Obama's are valid and can be used as proof of citizenship for passports, military service, or even Fedeal background investigations. I know because I have a similar birth certificate (from California) that I have used as proof of citizenship for all of teh above listed things.
Hawaiian law -- specifically, Section 338-17.8, titled "Certificates for children born out of State" - makes state birth documentation available to children born out of state, even born out of the country.
As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.
And a certificate as such would have the out of state place of birth listed. President Obama's lists his birthplace as Honolulu.
Citizen85
10-07-2009, 01:10 PM
But you guys, here's the proof!
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/
Monty Ealerman
10-07-2009, 01:11 PM
Yeah, Barry's 2007 Hawaii COLB says Honolulu, but why doesn't he let us see the 1961 original?
E3CSHARP
10-07-2009, 02:08 PM
lol Citizen85. This proves it all.
FNA209
10-08-2009, 12:52 AM
There is no need for hypothetical situations because we already know that Obama is a U.S. citizen. The "birther" argument is a silly conspiracy theory. Those guys have as much credibility as the "9/11 truthers".
Yep, you are right. The birthers are being silly. I agree. Although the reason I agreed is that even if they prove anything, the bell won't be unrung. It's a done deal and he is our President.
I put the birthers and the truthers in the same category as the people who believe the current proposed Healthcare plan(s) is(are) a good thing. It's easy for some people to blind themselves to just about anything.
tony.o
10-08-2009, 01:12 AM
Down the road, information about his past will come out and I'm betting that he will be found not to have been born in HI. I too have heard that he applied for foreign student aid while in college.
Why isn't he being transparent like he promised.
ray8285
10-08-2009, 09:13 AM
200 year old document is infallible.
Your correct, it's all wrong....first thing-you, and you only, can no longer post anything on this board without a moderator first approving it.
SRT936
10-08-2009, 08:14 PM
Yep, you are right. The birthers are being silly. I agree. Although the reason I agreed is that even if they prove anything, the bell won't be unrung. It's a done deal and he is our President.
Besides, if somehow they got Obama ousted, that would leave us with President Biden :eek: I think that's an even scarier proposition.... :cool::p
Monty Ealerman
10-15-2009, 06:13 AM
Besides, if somehow they got Obama ousted, that would leave us with President Biden :eek: I think that's an even scarier proposition.... :cool::pThe Supreme Court could decide that Barry's ineligibility, and his false presentations of himself as eligible, would require that the Presidency devolve to Senator McCain, who in the election, received the most non-fraudulently-obtained votes.
.......But, as I had said time and time again, it ain't gonna make any difference. Even if it's proven he isn't eligible, he will serve his term. America would melt down if he was removed. The fact that he may not be eligible is moot. Too many people don't care that there may be a violation of the Constitution.
In fact, even if it's proven he isn't eligible, there are a lot of people who would vote for him again in 2012. The Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore to a lot of alleged Americans.
The ways things are looking, the country may just melt down if he remains president. I am beginning to wonder if there is even going to be a 2012 election. In fact, if things keep accelerating at the current pace, I wonder if it's not possible that the vote may be eliminated before the 2010 elections.
Sound alarmist? Maybe. But when you look at the shadow government of Marxist radical Czars maybe not.
In recent days, the Democrats in Washington have targeted the insurance industry with punitive legislative action as payback for their audacity of hiring a top name CPA firm to do a study on the Health Care scam because the Dems didn't like the results of the study which contradict the Democrat's lies.
The banking industry is controlled by the Dems. The auto industry is controlled by the Dems. The press (with the exception of FOX and some radio talk shows) is controlled by the Dems. They want to reinstitute the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" to take control of the last remnant of the free press. The education establishment is controlled by the Dems. Hollywood is controlled by the Dems. And it was reported today that the Dems plan on using the "nuclear option" so they can use a 51% vote in the Senate to ram their Health Care scheme down our throats which will then give them control of the Health Care industry. This is the same "nuclear option" they vehemently protested against when they were planning the unprecedented filibustering of a judicial appointment during the Bush Administration.
Beck showed a video today of the White House Communications Director Anita Dunn in her own words referring to Chairman Mao as "one of her two favorite political philosophers." (See "radical readings" video.)
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/31968/
The White House is even attacking FOX saying they get the facts wrong. Well Beck has called them on it. He has a dedicated land line on his set. He has given the White House the number to it and asked them to call him on anything that is not correct. The phone has yet to ring.
This is change alright. Change from a free country to country free from freedom.
FNA209
10-16-2009, 02:04 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."
Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.
The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.
"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."
The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.
The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.
"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.
As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."
—AP
So... okay, the article was published in a Kenyan newspaper back in 2004 and later picked up by the AP.
The Standard is.... "an important newspaper in Kenya with a 20% market share, and Kenya’s oldest newspaper. It is owned by The Standard Group, which also runs the KTN Television station. The Standard Group is headquartered at the I&M Bank Tower in Nairobi."
But I guess the best we can do is judge that article about the same way we judge most US media articles. We can't believe much of it because journalists are no longer required to publish actual facts. :p
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