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wonderwoman
06-29-2001, 09:08 PM
This article was in the Ottawa Sun and although I would rather see any money that the system can get out of crooks go to victims or their families, this is a step better then the crooks having it!!!

Does your system have a process to force crooks to pay??

Riot inmates on hook
Province seeks restitution

By ANTONELLA ARTUSO, Queen's Park Bureau Chief

TORONTO -- Provincial inmates who riot will be expected to pay for the
damages under new government policy, Correctional Services Minister Rob
Sampson says.

A riot at the Peterborough Jail on the weekend rendered the institution
uninhabitable and stuck taxpayers with a $250,000 price tag in repairs
and extra security costs.

A 7 1/2-hour standoff at the Whitby Jail on June 12 caused $40,000
damage -- and the overall tab for riots each year hits about $2 million.

"I'm pretty frustrated with the damage that has been caused as a result
of a number of actions at the various jails across the province,"
Sampson told the Sun. "It's inappropriate that taxpayers' assets are treated
like this and the taxpayers need to be properly defended."

Sampson said his ministry will launch civil actions to recoup the
losses from inmates who riot.

The minister is also instructing his staff to make sure that Crown
attorneys attach restitution orders to any criminal charges laid against
inmates.

CRIMINAL CHARGES

Sampson said restitution orders are being pursued in the Whitby Jail
situation where criminal charges were laid by police against eight
inmates, and will also be the case in Peterborough if prisoners are charged.

Asked if most inmates would be able to pay back the damages, Sampson
said they won't find out until they establish a claim.

"I want my money back on behalf of the taxpayers," Sampson said.

A government bill currently working its way through the legislature
will also lead to more disciplinary action against prisoners who
participate in riots, he said.

Under current legislation, internal discipline charges are dropped when
criminal charges are laid in a correctional institution.

"The bill before the House would allow us to do both," Sampson said.
"We need to manage our own system internally. The courts can manage the
criminal system, that's what they're there for."

Darkwulfe
06-29-2001, 10:47 PM
Our inmates would have to pay for anything they damaged during their incarceration, including during riot times. I charged an inmate with criminal mischief, destruction of county property, a week or so ago for tearing up his pillow. He ended up paying for it. They are held responsible for their actions.

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Darkwulfe
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"Beaten Paths are for Beaten Men"

wonderwoman
06-29-2001, 11:35 PM
Getting down to short time eh Darkwulfe!!! http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif
Only a couple more days........... http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif

Don
06-29-2001, 11:41 PM
I'm just curious about how they are going to be able to collect on this. It SOUNDS like a wonderful idea, but let's face it. A lot of the pukes don't have either a pot OR a window.

So what are they going to do. Wait until they find a job (uh-huh) after their release then garnish their wages?

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wonderwoman
06-30-2001, 12:06 AM
You raise a good point......
Hmmmmmm can always take that welfare check eh? http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif
Apparently they did so much damage to this Peterborough Jail that they are not going to reopen it!! The riot I heard was over the inmates not getting a toothbrush!

Darkwulfe
06-30-2001, 02:36 AM
Yeah, two more days, Sunday is my last day, then Thursday I hit the range to be qualified with my firearm. Then my FTO training starts, I am beyond ready.

As for how inmates would pay. Your right, most of them don't have jobs, or their source of income isn't exactly legal. Many of our inmates who might be fined and have no way to pay for it serve it off in Jail. They get $25 or $50 credit a day towards their fine, depending on what the judge decides. Sure that means we don't get paid plus we have to pay for thier incarceration but it's what happens here. Pay your fine or serve jail time, their choice.

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Darkwulfe
darkwulfe@hotmail.com

"Beaten Paths are for Beaten Men"

gazza
06-30-2001, 06:50 AM
crims here dont pay zilch over riot damage the poor old tax payer foots the bill as usual. The only time a crim has to pay is if they damage their cell all remand crims are payed by the government $3.50 a day 20% of this is placed into a account for when or if ever they leave at govenor's hearings we have the power to impose a fine for damage etc.... The highest this has ever been (to my knowledge) is about $600 .If crims had to pay for all riot damage it would be interesting to see how the government would go about getting compensation of them this would be nigh-on impossible. HOOROO 4 NOW http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif