Naked Women

[wonderwoman]

Okay, now that you are here :) and because this section needs some action..... the question is....

Do you think there is a good working relationship between Police Officers and Correctional Officers? What joint initiatives do you have with the police/corrections? For example, sports, volunteer programs, fund raising, law enforcement week celebrations, training, task force..... etceteras...

[ 09-03-2001: Message edited by: wonderwoman ]

[Sgt. Slaughter]

Aw man! Did we get shafted or what!? :D Well, since I'm here... In the little town I'm in (25,000 people) we don't have much to do with corrections other than the jail is here in town. Many "off-duty" things are not done together through the departments. I know a couple of the jailers and often see them around town. In an instant we would have each others back if something bad happened off-duty. I haven't seen anything "department-sponsored" like what you have mentioned. Our department has bad blood with theirs (unfortunately) and it's mostly because of their brass and poor decisions they have made. It doesn't run down into the street officers and detention officers, though.

[Darkwulfe]

In my experience I have noticed allot of resentment between CO's and PO's. I have now worked both positions and have seen both sides. Street cops who have never worked in a Jail or Prison tend to look down on anyone in corrections or detention in my area. They seem to have the attitude that all CO's and DO's are wanna be cops who could'nt make the cut. I noticed it allot while I was at the academy as a Detention officer with others who were there as Police officers or Deputies. The rookies really had an ego problem around anyone in corrections. Not all are this way, but the ones that are really stand out.

I am really glad I had a chance to work in a Corrections facility before hitting the street. I think it really benifited me. I now have allot of respect for those who work in Prisons or Jails.

[RoadWarrior]

Wonderwoman, that was downright mean. lol

I've never heard any of our guys trash corrections. One of our better part-timers is a full-time C.O. From the things he's told me, I wouldn't have his job, I feel safer roaming the housing projects, on foot, at night, alone.

As far as inter-agency activities, there really are none, except for once a year our department sponsors a "crime fair" where lots of agencies come and display vehicles, equipment, etc. There's gonna be a bluegrass band this year, and activities for kids.

I would like to see a big police/ sheriff/ corrections cookout or something.

[JKT]

WW, That was not very nice at all :p

When I first started working at my current department (the first time-19 years ago), there was a LOT of animosity between the local PD Officers and the Jail Officers. Most of the PD Officers looked down on us and treated their arrestees with more respect than they did us. I even had one rookie make a disparaging remark to me about how I

[wonderwoman]

You are all such good sports!!!! :D :D :D

Look at all the good information its attracted!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

I just thought it was pretty bare in here! :(

[ 09-03-2001: Message edited by: wonderwoman ]

[gazza]

WW STRIKES AGAIN...lol
in aussie /victoria there is not much joint effort between prisons n police allways been a bit of friction, dunno why,i have some good mates that are coppers,but when they come in the nick to do interviews on crims we make it as easy as possible for them our computer system is about to be hooked in to the police system to make it easier to find crims in custody before they would have to ring us to find out if we had some one and vica/versa if a crim was out on daily remand we didnt know which police lockup the crim was in so now it should be easier,but that friction is still there silly isnt it :)

[Tackleberry]

We all have a pretty good mutual respect for the police officer's in our area and vice versa. Mostly all treat each other with respect and as professionals. Some of our CO's have been a help to police officers while on duty and in need. The police department is located directly across the street from our jail. As far as off-duty type things Yes we do get somewhat departmentally involved. In fact this OCT 8th, our prison department as well as other local police departments are sponsoring a TUG of War to benefit dream come true for sick children. We've done this going on 5 straight years. This involves COs, Probation and Sheriff's Officers and Police Officers. I don't wish to brag but us CO's have won for the past 3 years against the other law enforcement departments! I also am a part time police officer and try to educate other un-informed police officers about us "Prison Guards". If some cops wish to think of us as wannabee's then thats their opinion. We are no threat to them and are on the same side. We are serious officers just like them with somewhat compareable training. We just work in a different enviornment. I would ask them to walk in our shoes before they pass judgement. In closing I and my other fellow CO's have much respect for the police and seem to have their respect as well.


Tac
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[Rider]

It is kind of a funny thing in our jail.
The majority of Detention Officers in our jail are college students. They are working in the jail to get the experence they need to be a good police officer and to get their degree before hitting the streets. Young police officers will come in and have this "holier than thou" attitude with the DOs. The irony is that the local PD requires a bachelors degree before you are promoted to Sgt. So, one day a young DO is going to graduate, get hired on with the local PD,and get promoted to Sgt. over those young egos. That police officer who looked down on the DO before will now have to call him sir. I love irony! :D

[nickg]

naked women?? i'm all in favor!!! :D

[Sparky]

DIRTY TRICK!!!

I MUCH prefer naked women to either CO's or po-leeces.

Around these parts, we don't run into COs much, but near our area prison, many of the CO's also work part-time in LE. There's a very good working relationship between them.

I deal with the POs (Probation Officers) alot. We have a pretty good working relationship. The only time there is any friction is usually due to many of the POs not having much experience (if any) in presenting criminal case files and in prosecuting cases. They don't have a good understanding of the criminal justice process PRIOR to conviction. Subsequently, when they present VOP (Violation of Probation) cases, they sometimes don't understand when we can't do certain things.

An example would be if a defendant gets a new crime. The PO gets wind of it and gets a VOP warrant.

Well, we can only introduce new crimes through a witness which is the investigating officer. Some of our POs fail to understand that we can't just introduce paperwork in court. Evidence has to be introduced through a witness.

You try to explain some of this stuff to them and their eyes just glaze over.

They present VOP packs to us all the time with notes that so-and-so has "a new arrest in Anytown for Possession..", but they don't get copies of the charging affidavit, or warrant, or arrest report, etc. They don't get a contact name or number for the charging agency. They don't provide witness info for who can come in to testify about the new crime.

I've tried to tell them that while they are out working this stuff, they could spend an extra few minutes to get certian items of paperwork...and other things we need for the case...but they just say, "we've never done that before" and get all ****y.

So I usually say, "fine. I don't mind doing it, but as long as I am the one having to do all this stuff after you turn it in, then it's still going to take a little while for me to get what we need before we can file a petition."

[SGT Dave]

Naked women??????

Did someone say naked women?

[Blue23]

After dropping off more skells then I care to remember, I'll be the first to admit, I've seen their job and don't want it!

One family with a common goal.

BTW: Tac, is my vest keeping somebody warm up there? :D

I wanna nakkid woman rain check :mad:

[Tackleberry]

Blue,

Funny you should ask that, any Yes it is keeping somebody warm and safe thanks to your generous donation! Thankfully other then wearing it, it hasn't been put to it's intended use.


Tac
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[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Tackleberry ]

[Blue23]

Glad to hear Tac. Yes, lets hope it's never put to use!

be safe

[Law573]

I am friends with some of the CO's around here. I have a lot of respect for the job they do. I know I'm glad that I get to arrest the bad guy and drop them off at the jail. I don't have to deal with them every hour of every shift.

Keep up the good work CO's!

[danceswithfools]

I'm one of the lucky ones I guess. There is an excellent relationship with the CO's here. It's funny, but nearly every time I drag in a "kicking and screaming drunk" they look at me and say, "I wouldn't have your job for nothing", while I look around the jail and say the same thing to them.

There's one Sgt who is a pain in the rear, but other than him, the relationship between the hotel staff and the beat cops is very good.

[Babylon]

okay
right..
ive read a good and sensible discussion..

but wheres the ladies at??

im sensing we may have been tricked???

[Don]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by danceswithfools:
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There's one Sgt who is a pain in the rear, </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There is ALWAYS one Sgt who is a pain in the rear! :mad:

Anyway, my last department had both deputies and corrections officers working the jail. The deputies supervised the corrections officers. However we basically all did the same jobs, it's just that the deputies made more money. In fact, QUITE A LOT more money. Needless to say, this caused a lot of hate and discontent among the COs.

We also had our share of "I'm better than you are" road deputies. It always did my heart good to see these jerks wind up being assigned to the jail for a few years. :D

[tower triggerman]

I hav discovered both attitudes since I have been working for the Arizona Dept. of Corrections.
Let me say first that I am VERY proud of the job that I do. How many "real" cops could deal with the A/B's. New Mexican Mafia, Old Mexican Mafia, Mau Mau's, Grendel's, Border Brothers and the Warrior Scociety on a daily basis? Not to mention if you work a Protective Custody Yard you have to deal with the Chomo's, Rapo's, dirty cops, and everyone else that is at the BOTTOM of the scumbag barrel!!! CO's, be proud of the job you do!! whether people know it or not WE ARE public safety. I king of got into a little ****ing contest with my girlfriends brother in law.
He is a fire fighter in Las Vegas that thinks his job is ssoooooo much more imprtant than mine. One day he had the guts to tell me " I save lives, what do you do? " My reply: " I keep child molestors away from your kids!!! " I think that changed his view a little!! :) I am a disabled veteran and would like nothing better than to be a street officer, unfortunatly after 8 surgeries on my left knee I can't run the 1.5 miles it takes anymore. I hate the administration here in arizona for the way they "Care Bear" the inmates. The Warden we have could care less if one of us gets killed as long as she doesn't have an escape (An escape will get her fired, If one of us gets killed by an inmate they will name a unit after us I.E. Brent Lumley at ASPC Perryville, and she will get another "condolence plaque" for her wall) With all this I still go to work every day and believe in the job that we do.
BE PROUD OF YOUR JOB AND ABOVE ALL BE SAFE

[Chief Wiggum]

Where I work CCA (a private corrections company) runs the jail. THEY"RE HORRIBLE. because they're a private company they're only worried about cutting cost and avoiding lawsuits. They also employ very questionable people. I've arrested a couple of their "officers" in crack houses. They also keep letting the wrong people go.

However, I respect the field of corrections and wouldn't want to go back to it.

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