Large Ammo Carried

[PD Sergeant]

90-120 rounds seems to be the standard for carrying 223 rifle ammo. How many rounds of 12 gauge or 30 caliber (308, etc) ammo do you carry?

Of those what is the largest number of rounds that anyone in your department has actually used at one scene?

[espantoon]

Our .223 armed officers (10) carry 84 rounds. Three 28 round magazines.

Our .308 armed officers (2) carry 54 rounds. Three 18 round magazines.

Our shotgunners (everyone else) have a minimum of 5 rounds of 00 buck per policy. Typically, those officers carry at least two boxes of rifled slugs and a bunch more loose 00. Slugs and buckshot are approved for deployment.

In the modern era, we have had two officer involved shootings. One of the shootings involved multiple officers. The highest-shooter fired six times using his .223 Colt.

[CwboyScooby]

20 rounds of 30.06 and 2 rounds of .50 cal... I just wish I had the gun to go with the .50 rounds.

[KAA951]

4 X 30 round mags for the carbine (.223)

7 rounds in the Remington 870 (I choose to load all tactical slugs)

30 extra rounds of buck / slug for the 12 guage carried on an issued ammo belt.

Part II of your question:

I can not recall an officer involved shooting in our agency where an officer fired more than 4 or 5 rounds.

[fordman318]

6 - loaded 30rd .223 mags. 200 loose rounds
4 - loaded .40 magazines. 300 or so loose rounds
several random shotgun rounds buckshot and slugs

[913]

On the shotgun, 4 slugs in the shotgun, 4 assorted (slugs and OO buck) in the stock, a slip over holder with 6 more assorted shells. Off the shotgun, 2-3 boxes of assorted and one box of rubber bear shells.

Only two 20 round mags for the AR.

[K9deputyk16]

We carry a Sig 226. 1 in the chamber with a 12 round magazine as well as 2 extra 12 round mags. A remington 870 shotgun 6 in the magazine tube slugs with a side saddle for 6 more shells. the 223 has 20 or 30 round magazines personal prefence.

So 37 rounds of 40 cal. 12 shotgun rounds. and 40 to 60 rounds of 223.

[Sac Law Man]

I carry Sig 226 40 cal. In addition to the two mags on my belt, I carry two more loaded mags and a 50 round box of ammo in my bail out bag. 223, I carry three 20 round mags and two 20 round boxes of ammo. 12 gauge, besides what is in the gun, I carry a side saddle carrier with 5 slugs and 4 or 5 boxes of 00 and slugs in the bail out bag as well.

[fordman318]

bought another 30rd .223 mag and 40rds

[11b101abn]

150 rds of 556.

30 rds of 12ga. 5 slugs in that number.

Why are some of you short loading your M4 mags?

[M-11]

28 is the most reliable starting feed with a 30 rnd aluminum mag.

Those with 20 are probably using 20 rnd Mags (They are still out there)

M-11

[PRESSHRD5COPIES]

5 00 buck, and 5 slugs for the shotgun

2, 20 round magazines for the AR15

[nobodyjr]

12 00 buck rounds all on the 870.

31 45 rounds on the belt/gun.

140 .223 rounds.

We have had shootouts in the past where people have ran empty. Not very recently though. Maybe the bad guys are starting to realize that bail is cheaper than ammo!

[PtlCop]

28 is the most reliable starting feed with a 30 rnd aluminum mag.

Those with 20 are probably using 20 rnd Mags (They are still out there)

M-11

I've been taught this for YEARS. Military and now LE taught it. The truth of the matter is, I've loaded my mags with 30 rounds for years and never had a problem with the magazine not seating properly. Have others experienced it?

[WWCND]

I've been taught this for YEARS. Military and now LE taught it. The truth of the matter is, I've loaded my mags with 30 rounds for years and never had a problem with the magazine not seating properly. Have others experienced it?

Like you, I've heard this for years. Also like you, I've always loaded my mags to the top and have never had a problem. Not in the military or as an LEO.

[PtlCop]

Like you, I've heard this for years. Also like you, I've always loaded my mags to the top and have never had a problem. Not in the military or as an LEO.

See, I'd imagine it had to have come from some practical theory or some incident where a mag didn't seat. I've never had a problem and I use the standard "push, pull" technique when seating a mag.

[KenW.]

I just have my "large" .45 and a shotgun with a tube magazine full of 000, and a sidesaddle full of slug. If and when they give me an AR it'll have a 30 round mag loaded ewith 28, and a 20 round mag loaded with 18.

[DAL]

I think that a problem with the magazine not seating properly is more likely if you are reloading with a round in the chamber.

[hobbsie711]

See, I'd imagine it had to have come from some practical theory or some incident where a mag didn't seat. I've never had a problem and I use the standard "push, pull" technique when seating a mag.

The explanation we got in the corps was always that the round wouldn't chamber properly. After we got issued H&K's they told us we were good to go on filling them to 30 so we did. frankly I just load the mags til I can't anymore. I have had jams with my M-16 but I was an 03 and fire thousands upon thousands of rounds through the weapon. You're bound to have one jam up eventually. Best as I could tell none were cause by the mag being over filled.

[yammahoppy]

150 rds of 556.

30 rds of 12ga. 5 slugs in that number.

Why are some of you short loading your M4 mags?


i have the MagPul ranger plates on all of my .223 mags. thats why mine are short 2 rounds.......

[M-11]

The 30 round Mag will reliably shoot 30 rounds Clean, and properly seated.

We have malfunctions on the range here all the time with 30 rounds for several reasons. The mags are full of sand and crap because the students are reloading the mags they drop in the sand while shooting. if there is grit in the bottom of the mag, and you stack it with 30 you can have problems seating the mag, as no give in the spring can cause the mag not to latch. Or if the Mag latches, the grit and crap in the bottom of the mag can cause the 30 round stack to bind against the lips of the Mag so tight the buffer spring can not slam the first round in. If you have not experienced this, it's what your forward assist was designed for.

There is a training solution to thism which is to put empties on your dump pouch and seat your magazine like a man when you reload. But for training and general arming, it's easier to try and eliminate the problem by loading two fewer rounds than it is to have people follow simple instructions.

This has trickled down to LE through the decades since people were first told the AR-15 would function without cleaning and other brain damaged claims.

M-11

[Monkeybomb]

Our agency also mandates issue mags be loaded 28 in a 30 rnd and 18 in a 20 rns. The reason is the belief that the feed lips on the magazine will deform from the mag being stored at capacity for an extended time and banging around in the trunk of a vehicle etc.

I carry an issue 28 and 18 mags. I also carry two 30 round p-mags fully loaded. I have 8 rounds of 00 buck in/on the shotgun as well as 5 rounds of slug on the gun. I also carry two 6 round speed feeders one with 00 buck and the other with slugs. I have my standard 46 rounds of ammo on my belt / gun and two extra 15 round mags with the other spare ammo in a bail out bag.

[DonSmithnotTMD]

The 30 round Mag will reliably shoot 30 rounds Clean, and properly seated.

We have malfunctions on the range here all the time with 30 rounds for several reasons. The mags are full of sand and crap because the students are reloading the mags they drop in the sand while shooting. if there is grit in the bottom of the mag, and you stack it with 30 you can have problems seating the mag, as no give in the spring can cause the mag not to latch. Or if the Mag latches, the grit and crap in the bottom of the mag can cause the 30 round stack to bind against the lips of the Mag so tight the buffer spring can not slam the first round in. If you have not experienced this, it's what your forward assist was designed for.

There is a training solution to thism which is to put empties on your dump pouch and seat your magazine like a man when you reload. But for training and general arming, it's easier to try and eliminate the problem by loading two fewer rounds than it is to have people follow simple instructions.

This has trickled down to LE through the decades since people were first told the AR-15 would function without cleaning and other brain damaged claims.

M-11

That and the early 30 rounders tended to have crappy springs.

[11b101abn]

Interesting. I uses PMags almost exclsively. They dont need to be short loaded and seat without effort on a closed bolt at 30 rounds.

GI mags are a pain to seat at 30 rds, but I dont have any problem with feeding.

Thanks for the answers.

[PD Sergeant]

There seem to be 2 clear camps on 12 gauge ammo. Either 10-12 rounds or 25-30 rounds are carried.

[katseiye]

150 rds of 556.

30 rds of 12ga. 5 slugs in that number.

Why are some of you short loading your M4 mags?

Our tardo rangemaster had it put in the patrol rifle policy that the mags can only be loaded to a max of 28 rds.

Issued 100 rds of 5.56/223 ammo, 50 rds of .40 cal and 5 bean bag rds for LTL 870

[katseiye]

Further reading posts after responding to 11b101abn, I find many others who are using the 28 rds in a 30 rd mag. I'll bite, but if you knew my RM he's stilla tard by popular vote.