NYC "Private" Departments of Public Safety

[CO1989]

I know there has been previous threads on this subject - but every few weeks I learn of a new DPS down in NYC. Just wondering if anyone had a list of them, that hire "Special Patrolmen" that are Peace Officers while on duty, but citizens when off. So far I know of 3:

Co-op City DPS
Starett City DPS
Sea Gate DPS

Are there others?

[usman939]

Yea, theres seagate public safety in brooklyn which are armed,
theres morningside heights public safety patrolman,
and theres stuyvesant town patrolman also in the city

[usman939]

I used to do a census job where I would have to go into these large apartment communities so I saw them

[DEcop989]

Hey CO - long time no see. any of them hiring?

[CO1989]

Hey DE, I don't know if any are hiring. I'm finding more and more Departments down there.

[DOAcop38]

Does the " Hunts Point Market Police" still exist? My ex girlfirends uncle worked for them.

[DEcop989]

cant find any but seagate online - - but they have no hiring info.

i know its what - 9-10 an hr - - I make twice that in my sec job. not enough to move

[4NYjets5]

Here are the departments I know of that haven't been mentioned;
- Roosevelt Island Public Safety
- Parkchester South Public Safety
- Spring Creek Towers Public Safety

Then also some business improvement districts have security.

[co1669]

Does the " Hunts Point Market Police" still exist? My ex girlfirends uncle worked for them.

The Hunts Point dept. of public safety is still around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunts_Point_Department_of_Public_Safety

[CO1989]

So what we have so far is those listed below. It seems they all deploy Peace Officers while on duty. Are there any others that people know about? Links to information are great - this way we can have ONE post that keeps going about these Departments, so people don't keep asking!

Co-op City DPS
Hunts Point DPS
Morningside Heights Public Safety
Parkchester South Public Safety
Roosevelt Island Public Safety
Sea Gate DPS
Spring Creek Towers DPS (Starrett City)
Stuyvesant Town Patrolman

[NYCTNT]

Roosevelt Island is NOT private.

They are nys employees under a nys public benefit corporation.

[CO1989]

OK, so take out Roosevelt Island Public Safety. Does anyone know of anymore? I will start putting links to the Departments so people can go and check them out on the internet,

Co-op City DPS
Hunts Point DPS
Morningside Heights Public Safety
Parkchester South Public Safety
Sea Gate DPS
Spring Creek Towers DPS (Starrett City)
Stuyvesant Town Patrolman

[orlandofed5-0]

You can add in the theater district security. They are armed and patrol with a cushman with red and yellow lights. use the generic special patrolman patch.

[CO1989]

Roosevelt Island DPS is another unarmed Police Service in NY???

[NYCTNT]

Theater District are NOT armed. I believe they are SHUBERT SECURITY. Although they do have arrest powers, I have yet to hear of it being used.

[4NYjets5]

Sea Gate is a Police Department, NOT Public Safety

[CO1989]

Roger that, that Sea Gate is a Police Department. I attempted to inquire as to hiring procedures, and they wanted me to stop by their office 8-( That's not something I can drive 400 miles to do! Does anyone know if any of these departments hire part time, or are they strictly full time?

[NYCTNT]

For the most part, they are FULL TIME, ALTHOUGH I know that SEAGATE has hired PART TIME in the past.

They are not a true POLICE DEPARTMENT.

They are still PEACE OFFICERS/SPECIAL PATROLMEN.

[aikido kid]

does every apartment complex in NYC have its own snown officers patroling it? My goodness. :D

If someone calls 911 who shows up?

[Sled]

"If someone calls 911 who shows up?"



I am familiar with several of these organizations, such as CO-Op City and Parkchester (who are among the larger ones). These depts do not answer 911 calls and are not part of the 911 system. they may monitor NYPD division radios, but they do not answer to 911. If you called 911, NYPD would be responsible for the call.
These depts may show up if it is their property, but the call is NYPD.

[DEcop989]

Well, we just have to figure whpo is hiring now.

I looked into parkchester I believe. When I spoke to them, even with five years of LE, they said I had to worked as an unarmed security guard before you get your peace officer status. So that's a no go - I'd rather not wste two more years of my life.

Roosevelt Island - sent in a resume but never heard back.

The first I've heard of the others.


The Hunts Point thing looks interesting - and they've a nice car - but the actual website has zero information nor even a contact number. So I'm at a loss as to how to inquire.

[americanpolice]

got a pic of their car or uniform?

[americanpolice]

disregard last post. found this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunts_Point_Department_of_Public_Safety

car looks eh.

[NYCAPO]

The Hunts Point thing looks interesting - and they've a nice car - but the actual website has zero information nor even a contact number. So I'm at a loss as to how to inquire.

I found 2 contacts and numbers. The first I got off the official website. The second I got off white pages.

Nick Rodelli - Director - Department of Public Safety - 718 893-4100

Harry Arogue - Director - Department of Public Safety - 718 893-4642

[DEcop989]

Grazi. Guess its a bit late to call now; I'll put it on tomorrow's to do list.

[ssomike]

I'm really curious about that dept. Pay, benefits,union, hiring procedures,etc. Anyone got any info?

[NYRESCUE]

Do any of the agencies hire at the moment?

[NYCAPO]

I'm really curious about that dept. Pay, benefits,union, hiring procedures,etc. Anyone got any info?

http://forums.officer.com/forums/member.php?u=78279

He's an officer in their agency. I spoke to him a few months ago, and he gave me some good info.

[ssomike]

Thanks for the info. No pension, no night diff., starting pay of $29,000. I don't think so. It doesn't look like a bad gig if you're young without a family though.

[NYCTNT]

I think starting pay has increases and the top pay has increased as well.

401k. Pension was siezed and non existant due to an old clause that prohibited them from obtaining a full state pension while being incorporated into a union. They have been batteling this for a while now.

Excellent dental, medical and other benefits though.

[NYCTNT]

PS: Dont even bother with Hunts Point. They are not hiring and probably are not going to hire for a long while.

CO-OP CITY is not going to hire until at least September.

I know Starret City was on a hiring freeze. A call to their public safety office stated that they will hand out an application and whatever happens, happens. So my guess is that they are not ACTIVELY hiring, but if need be, they will hire someone if they need someone.

[DEcop989]

So what about RToosevelt, TNT? I told ya I sent them an email with my resume to the addy from the hr section of their webite, but never heard anything.

[NYCTNT]

They are in backlog from what my buddy told me.

Its going to be a while due to patersons budget freezing throughout agencies and whatnot.

[CO1989]

Any other "private police forces" in NYC that anyone can think of to add to the list?

Does anyone know the screen name of the guy who works for Co-op City DPS?

[bxhousing]

CO1989,

I don't work for Co-Op City, but I did for a few years. I can help with you with any questions.

[CO1989]

BxHousing - PM sent your way.

[nyc1219]

"If someone calls 911 who shows up?"



I am familiar with several of these organizations, such as CO-Op City and Parkchester (who are among the larger ones). These depts do not answer 911 calls and are not part of the 911 system. they may monitor NYPD division radios, but they do not answer to 911. If you called 911, NYPD would be responsible for the call.
These depts may show up if it is their property, but the call is NYPD.

Stuy town/ petercooper village works closely with the resident pct and has PD issued radios and are raised on the air from time to time as stuy town portable and do handle jobs on the property for PD if they're busy but most of the time the sector takes a ride over. They also process their own collars at the pct and I think train at the academy at night

[DEcop989]

How do you apply for either? theres nothing on the websites but rental info

[NYCTNT]

Huh?

Last time I was at Stuy Town, they were basically plain jane security guards with someeeee supervisors who were peace officers.

This was only about a year ago.. who knows what changed since then.

[nyc1219]

almost all of them were special patrolman up until a few months ago when the management started laying guys off and hiring more "plain janes" to save money i would guess. all the supervisors are still peace officers

[DEcop989]

E3www. That's ridiculous. everytime I seriously consider moving to NYC, something gets in my way.

None of these depts seem to be actively hiring.

[orlandofed5-0]

Saw this on another website:

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They have full police powers and can carry on and off duty. Not a bad job if your looking to get your foot in the door.

Job Position Profile
Home > Jobs Central - Position Detail


Public Safety Officer/Peace Officer - Bronx, NY

Position Type
Position Title
Police Officer
Public Safety Officer/Peace Officer
Requirements/Overview

The Successful Candidate is responsible for the impartial enforcement of all state, and local ordinances within the market. The Public Safety Officer is also in charge of preservation of peace, protection of life and property, preliminary investigations of criminal offenses, and all other related work in accordance with law, rules, regulations and the administrative policies and procedures of the Hunts Point Department of Public Safety. The officer must be able to recognize an urgent condition, determine the best course of action, and react accordingly. Patrol assigned areas via equipped patrol vehicles or on foot. Make arrests or assist in the arrest of criminal violators
Applicant must not have any criminal charges pending or under indictment for any criminal offense;

Applicant must have residency within the Five Boro's of New York City for Special Patrolman Status or moving to NYC within 6 mos.

Applicants have Military, Police/Peace Officer experience (preferred)

Applicant must have Steady verifiable Security experience over 2yrs

Applicant must have a High school diploma or GED, Associates or Bachelors degree from an accredited college or university (Preferred)

Applicant must have A NYS driver?s license is required. Must be flexible to work all shifts, days and hours Possess NYC Gun Permit (Preferable) but not required for hire.

NYS EMT Certification helpful but not required for hire.

AGE REQUIREMENTS:
Applicant must be 21yrs old and must be capable of performing all of the duties of a Hunts Point DPS Peace Officer

OTHER REQUIREMENTS:

Applicant must pass:


Background Investigation
Urine Testing/Drug Screen
Psychiatric Evaluation
Completion of a One Year Probationary Period
Hunts Point PBA Union Benefits:


Sick days - 5 paid/year
Vacation - 1 weeks first year increases after
Holidays - 11 paid/year
Clothing Allowance-Uniforms paid for by Dept.
IRA
Life Insurance
Medical


Additional Information

Must possess current P.O.S.T. training from your state compatible with New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services (D.C.J.S.) Police/Peace Officer Standards. All Certifications (Defensive Tactics, OC spray, Baton,CPR-AED...etc) must be Current!!!

Salary

$ 32-35,000

Posting Date

2009-07-30

Closing Date

2009-09-01

Job Last Updated

2009-07-30

Job Announcement/More Information Web Site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunts_Point_Department_of_Public_Safety

Department/County Web Site

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunts_Point_Department_of_Public_Safety

[Sled]

"They have full police powers and can carry on and off duty"



They do not have "full" police powers. In NYS only persons designated as "Police officers" have "full" police powers. Hunts Point are Peace Officers in NYS.(They probably have Police powers only when on duty and on their property)

As far as carrying, they can carry if they have a permit, they cannot carry on the shield alone.

[DEcop989]

I just called and the Director was rather suprised that I asked 'are you currently hiring.' Her answer was an emphatic no. Said we could send resumes, but that's about it. Which is even more weird since the posting is here on ODC

[NYCTNT]

Her?

There is no female director.

I believe the chief has a female officer who answers phones for him, but shes in no way is in charge.

A guy in HR that I know said they wont be hiring for a while when I first posted. Something about waiting upon the new "tax hike" to kick in for revenue or some sort. I am not into numbers lingo but all I understood was they were waiting for some more moolah to get more officers hired.

[DEcop989]

Ah. Ok - must've been the SWAG* I spoke to, then.

So yeah, not actually hiring is the word.



*SWAG - Secretary with a Gun

[DEcop989]

Ok...they ARE hiring now but want you to have NY State security certifications. My Del State Peace officer certification isnt good enough - I didnt know security in NY had arrest powers!

[bxhousing]

You can petition NY DCJS to waive security training... it's only 24 hours total. With an out of state POST cert you should be able to get that waived. Security officers in NY have no more arrest powers than a private citizens.

[CO1989]

DECop - how did you find out they ARE hiring?

[DEcop989]

Ah... They have a posting on policeone.com with a phone number. I called. Funny part is the contact information leads to an Indian woman - when I badly butched the pronunciation of her name - for which I profusely apologized - she was taken abackl that her name was on the internet posting. Apparently, she did not approve that and was a bit miffed.

[CO1989]

Well there you go people -- there's a test this Fall and they're hiring.

[DEcop989]

Eh - -since I have no NY Guard certs, guess Im not elgible

[CO1989]

huh? which brings up my question - how the heck do you get armed guard quals for other states when you don't live there???

[future01]

I am not from the NYC area. Is Hunts Point a residential community or a business park? Also, how large is this dept.?

[orlandofed5-0]

I am not from the NYC area. Is Hunts Point a residential community or a business park? Also, how large is this dept.?

Its a giant terminal market where produce is brought in.

http://www.terminalmarkets.com/huntspoint.htm

[DEcop989]

I'm not sure - guess they just want NY residents only. Their loss, IMHO.

[CO1989]

Noooo, it says right in the announcement on policeone.com that it is NOT necessary to have the NYC armed license.

[DEcop989]

Im only saying what the woman said whom I called

[Sled]

CO1989 wrote:

"how the heck do you get armed guard quals for other states when you don't live there???"

Considering the salary they are paying, I do not think that they expect many people to move to NYC to take the job. It is mainly an entry level job. They may get someone to move from NJ, that is about it.