NYPD Roll Call Shift Proceedure Questions

[tsterns]

Hello NYPD:

I am an author and I am currently doing research for a fiction story is which the main character is a NYPD patrol officer from the Central Park/22nd Precinct.
I need to get some background information on how roll call is handle. I hope someone of the NYPD can answer a few questions. I'll try to be brief.

1.) Roll call starts 1/2 hour prior to start of shift, correct?
2.) Who is in charge of roll call? (A desk sergeant?)
3.) Are special duty assignments given out during roll call or are you told at roll call to report to someone else for a special duty assignment?
4.) I will assume there is special duty assignment form an officer is given with the details and length of the assignment. Does this form have a special name or form number.
5.) If the temporary duty assignment requires special tactical equipment, equipment not owned by the officer, would he/she be able to sign out the gear, or would it have to be purchased with their yearly uniform allowance?
6.) Finally. How are patrol cars assigned.

Sincerely,
Ted S.

[NYCTNT]

Not to be a wise guy.. but you did state that your book IS fiction afterall.

[July2008]

Hello NYPD:

I am an author and I am currently doing research for a fiction story is which the main character is a NYPD patrol officer from the Central Park/22nd Precinct.
I need to get some background information on how roll call is handle. I hope someone of the NYPD can answer a few questions. I'll try to be brief.

1.) Roll call starts 1/2 hour prior to start of shift, correct?
2.) Who is in charge of roll call? (A desk sergeant?)
3.) Are special duty assignments given out during roll call or are you told at roll call to report to someone else for a special duty assignment?
4.) I will assume there is special duty assignment form an officer is given with the details and length of the assignment. Does this form have a special name or form number.
5.) If the temporary duty assignment requires special tactical equipment, equipment not owned by the officer, would he/she be able to sign out the gear, or would it have to be purchased with their yearly uniform allowance?
6.) Finally. How are patrol cars assigned.

Sincerely,
Ted S.


1) Yes
2)Sgt.
3)everything at roll call
4)No form -- PLEASE NO MORE FORMS
5)Like what?
6)at roll call.... X, Y rmp ****

[nypdSarge80]

the answer about roll call is incorrect, its 5 minutes before start of tour. Here is the actual answer from out patrol guide, let alone i conduct roll call every day.

P.G. 212-01 Roll Call Formations

Date Effective: 01-01-00

PURPOSE

To inspect, instruct and conduct roll call of uniformed members of the service prior to tour.

PROCEDURE

Five (5) minutes before the start of tour of duty:

PATROL SUPERVISOR

1. Assemble platoon in ranks in sitting or muster room.

NOTE: Either muster or sitting room may be utilized at discretion of commanding officer.

2. Make assignments.

3. Inspect the platoon.

a. Allow uniformed members concerned to reasonably demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn.

b. List members deficient in uniform, equipment or personal appearance.

c. Reprimand and instruct deficient members privately.

d. Follow up to determine if corrections have been made; take disciplinary action if necessary.

NOTE: Upon notification that a protective vest inspection will be conducted by the patrol supervisor, it is incumbent on the uniformed member concerned to take appropriate actions to demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn. Such actions may include, but are not limited to:

a. Raising, removing, unbuttoning top garment so as to expose the protective vest, to visual inspection, OR

b. Patting on the front and rear of the protective vest so as to produce a sound, OR

c. Any other manner which will indicate to the patrol supervisor that the protective vest is being worn. Uniformed members of the service are reminded that only authorized/approved protective vests will be worn.

4. Report personally to desk/ranking officer, members absent and reason, if known.

5. March the platoon, when directed, into muster/sitting room.

6. Face platoon toward desk/ranking officer conducting roll call and dress up platoon.

7. Take position at front-center of platoon.

DESK OFFICER

8. Direct, "Report (1st, etc.) platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

9. Salute desk/ranking officer.

10. Report, "Platoon inspected."

11. Command, "Parade rest."

DESK OFFICER

12. Conduct roll call.

13. Issue necessary instructions.

14. Command, "Post your platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

15. Assume position of attention.

16. Command, "Platoon attention."

17. Face platoon in direction to be marched.

18. Instruct platoon not to congregate in groups around the stationhouse.

19. Direct members of platoon to leave stationhouse for post or assignments at selected intervals.

ADDITIONAL DATA

Sergeants, police officers and detectives required to report in uniform to a location within the geographic boundaries of the precinct to which assigned at the beginning of their tour, shall be given sufficient travel time within the tour.

RELATED PROCEDURES
Uniforms (P.G. 204-03)
Inspection of Uniforms (A.G. 305-06)

[NYPO]

the answer about roll call is incorrect, its 5 minutes before start of tour. Here is the actual answer from out patrol guide, let alone i conduct roll call every day.

P.G. 212-01 Roll Call Formations

Date Effective: 01-01-00

PURPOSE

To inspect, instruct and conduct roll call of uniformed members of the service prior to tour.

PROCEDURE

Five (5) minutes before the start of tour of duty:

PATROL SUPERVISOR

1. Assemble platoon in ranks in sitting or muster room.

NOTE: Either muster or sitting room may be utilized at discretion of commanding officer.

2. Make assignments.

3. Inspect the platoon.

a. Allow uniformed members concerned to reasonably demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn.

b. List members deficient in uniform, equipment or personal appearance.

c. Reprimand and instruct deficient members privately.

d. Follow up to determine if corrections have been made; take disciplinary action if necessary.

NOTE: Upon notification that a protective vest inspection will be conducted by the patrol supervisor, it is incumbent on the uniformed member concerned to take appropriate actions to demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn. Such actions may include, but are not limited to:

a. Raising, removing, unbuttoning top garment so as to expose the protective vest, to visual inspection, OR

b. Patting on the front and rear of the protective vest so as to produce a sound, OR

c. Any other manner which will indicate to the patrol supervisor that the protective vest is being worn. Uniformed members of the service are reminded that only authorized/approved protective vests will be worn.

4. Report personally to desk/ranking officer, members absent and reason, if known.

5. March the platoon, when directed, into muster/sitting room.

6. Face platoon toward desk/ranking officer conducting roll call and dress up platoon.

7. Take position at front-center of platoon.

DESK OFFICER

8. Direct, "Report (1st, etc.) platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

9. Salute desk/ranking officer.

10. Report, "Platoon inspected."

11. Command, "Parade rest."

DESK OFFICER

12. Conduct roll call.

13. Issue necessary instructions.

14. Command, "Post your platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

15. Assume position of attention.

16. Command, "Platoon attention."

17. Face platoon in direction to be marched.

18. Instruct platoon not to congregate in groups around the stationhouse.

19. Direct members of platoon to leave stationhouse for post or assignments at selected intervals.

ADDITIONAL DATA

Sergeants, police officers and detectives required to report in uniform to a location within the geographic boundaries of the precinct to which assigned at the beginning of their tour, shall be given sufficient travel time within the tour.

RELATED PROCEDURES
Uniforms (P.G. 204-03)
Inspection of Uniforms (A.G. 305-06)

Well sarge don't know where you work but 5 minutes prior has never happened at my precinct. We're lucky if roll call happens 20 minutes after start of tour. And the whole stand at attention crap, I really hope you don't do that. If you do your guys call you a tool. We don't even wear hats or anything and half don't even show up for roll call....

[jpnycPA]

Well sarge don't know where you work but 5 minutes prior has never happened at my precinct. We're lucky if roll call happens 20 minutes after start of tour. And the whole stand at attention crap, I really hope you don't do that. If you do your guys call you a tool. We don't even wear hats or anything and half don't even show up for roll call....

hahahaha :D

[NyPd G]

Well sarge don't know where you work but 5 minutes prior has never happened at my precinct. We're lucky if roll call happens 20 minutes after start of tour. And the whole stand at attention crap, I really hope you don't do that. If you do your guys call you a tool. We don't even wear hats or anything and half don't even show up for roll call....

That's halarious!!!

[nypdSarge80]

to NYPO:
I am not sure where you work, but it sounds like a place that has no discipline.
We don't even wear hats or anything and half don't even show up for roll call.... ??? That sounds like poor supervision, or maybe a few people don't have the balls to make you do what you are supposed to do. IS being on time so hard to do ? Who would have thought a job requires you to be on time. LOL. I do know what you mean about the hats, and standing at attention, and yes it always seems someone is running late because of this and that. That is the real world. In the real world and not the patrol guide, people have lives. I worked at a command that did similar to what you described but you know what, from what i remember, the cops got away with alot of stuff because the bosses had no guts to put them in their places. In particuliar it was a few Sgt's. that were weak. Letting you come to roll call every day whenever you want and doing whatever you want shows complete lack of discipline and disrespect. Did you forget that it is a paramilitary organization. I know certain commands, especially the busy commands, will not tolerate you being 30 minutes late all the time. I guess i am just used to being busy now. If you were in my command, you would lose many vacation days, I am sure that would make you come on time.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

the answer about roll call is incorrect, its 5 minutes before start of tour. Here is the actual answer from out patrol guide, let alone i conduct roll call every day.

P.G. 212-01 Roll Call Formations

Date Effective: 01-01-00

PURPOSE

To inspect, instruct and conduct roll call of uniformed members of the service prior to tour.

PROCEDURE

Five (5) minutes before the start of tour of duty:

PATROL SUPERVISOR

1. Assemble platoon in ranks in sitting or muster room.

NOTE: Either muster or sitting room may be utilized at discretion of commanding officer.

2. Make assignments.

3. Inspect the platoon.

a. Allow uniformed members concerned to reasonably demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn.

b. List members deficient in uniform, equipment or personal appearance.

c. Reprimand and instruct deficient members privately.

d. Follow up to determine if corrections have been made; take disciplinary action if necessary.

NOTE: Upon notification that a protective vest inspection will be conducted by the patrol supervisor, it is incumbent on the uniformed member concerned to take appropriate actions to demonstrate that a protective vest is being worn. Such actions may include, but are not limited to:

a. Raising, removing, unbuttoning top garment so as to expose the protective vest, to visual inspection, OR

b. Patting on the front and rear of the protective vest so as to produce a sound, OR

c. Any other manner which will indicate to the patrol supervisor that the protective vest is being worn. Uniformed members of the service are reminded that only authorized/approved protective vests will be worn.

4. Report personally to desk/ranking officer, members absent and reason, if known.

5. March the platoon, when directed, into muster/sitting room.

6. Face platoon toward desk/ranking officer conducting roll call and dress up platoon.

7. Take position at front-center of platoon.

DESK OFFICER

8. Direct, "Report (1st, etc.) platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

9. Salute desk/ranking officer.

10. Report, "Platoon inspected."

11. Command, "Parade rest."

DESK OFFICER

12. Conduct roll call.

13. Issue necessary instructions.

14. Command, "Post your platoon."

PATROL SUPERVISOR

15. Assume position of attention.

16. Command, "Platoon attention."

17. Face platoon in direction to be marched.

18. Instruct platoon not to congregate in groups around the stationhouse.

19. Direct members of platoon to leave stationhouse for post or assignments at selected intervals.

ADDITIONAL DATA

Sergeants, police officers and detectives required to report in uniform to a location within the geographic boundaries of the precinct to which assigned at the beginning of their tour, shall be given sufficient travel time within the tour.

RELATED PROCEDURES
Uniforms (P.G. 204-03)
Inspection of Uniforms (A.G. 305-06)

The good Sgt must work in Manhattan or Queens cause that sh*t wouldnt fly in Most commands in Brooklyn North....90% of the time the bosses are just happy u showed up for work

[nypdSarge80]

itiswhatis73, i hear ya, i work in Harlem and it gets pretty busy where i am trust me. I am the first one to say , guys who work for me, i dont mean the minimal bull****, guys that really work, i do what i can to fight for them because they are doing what they can for me. I am not one of the Sgt that just disappears, i actually do many car stops and enforcement myself, to help my squad. I work along side my squad. I don't see it as I am above them. It goes a long way to gain the respect of your squad instead of just ordering them to do crap. We have too many stupid rules . Some how along the path of getting promoted , certain chiefs find it more important to check for black socks than more important issues. Thanks for the replies. To all be safe out there.

[NYCTNT]

You sure you work in Harlem and not Midtown?

LOL

JK

[EricDel]

We're lucky if roll call happens 20 minutes after start of tour. half don't even show up for roll call....

I hope this is alittle bit of an exaggeration. I have heard NYPD is pretty relaxed and undisplined from other sources but to me thats on another level. I would hope the men/women would have a little more pride in their work and come to roll call and not show up 20min late etc. I know my "small" city in Delaware would not put up with that at all let alone one of the most prestigious departments in the country. (so I would hope atleast) Not bashing at all, just I'm very surprised if that is true.

[NYPO]

I hope this is alittle bit of an exaggeration. I have heard NYPD is pretty relaxed and undisplined from other sources but to me thats on another level. I would hope the men/women would have a little more pride in their work and come to roll call and not show up 20min late etc. I know my "small" city in Delaware would not put up with that at all let alone one of the most prestigious departments in the country. (so I would hope atleast) Not bashing at all, just I'm very surprised if that is true.

Its not as prestigious as you think and no not much of an exaggeration. Sgt's don't perform roll call until a certain time so why show up before that and stand around for no reason. We can't go out until the other shift comes in anyway with the keys so there's no point. There are other ways of showing respect to a supervisor than to stand at attention like soldiers during roll call...

[nypdSarge80]

That is definitely true. There are many ways of showing respect. If your Sgt's are always late than i can understand why you are and others. Seriously, to me some of the rules are ridiculous. For instance, We are not allowed to have cell phones, and if certain supervisors spot you with one you get some nice green paper. But, than when you go to details, the first thing they want from Sgt is to put your cell on top of the roster sheet. It really makes no sense. I still disagree with you. My old command was extremely relaxed before i was a sgt, but the cops still stood at attention and remained quiet while the sgt or LT was conducting roll call. I guess every place is different. The main goal is for all of us to sign out and go home safely. Be safe out there .

[NYCTNT]

I will never get over how some SERGEANTS think that they are mightier than GOD and forgot they were a short time ago COPS themselves. They took ONE exam and passed. Good for you, you deserve the raise but for crying out loud, its only one exam and you are exactly one rank above police officer.

Take it easy with the walking behind the desk rules, salute you like you are king rules, talk to cops(ball-less ones) like total disrespect and garbage.

I show all supervisors respect, regardless of rank. I just wish that they show some cops respect and understand that they are not a chief and when they retire they will become john q. citizen once again with a chance to get summonses and arrested.

A rank does not retire with you. It is PARA-MILITARY, not THE MILITARY.

End of rant.

Sorry. I was on a detail and had to vent with an overzealous sergeant and lieutenant who thought cops were too damn stupid to stand at a baricade.

[NYCTNT]

itiswhatis73, i hear ya, i work in Harlem and it gets pretty busy where i am trust me. I am the first one to say , guys who work for me, i dont mean the minimal bull****, guys that really work, i do what i can to fight for them because they are doing what they can for me. I am not one of the Sgt that just disappears, i actually do many car stops and enforcement myself, to help my squad. I work along side my squad. I don't see it as I am above them. It goes a long way to gain the respect of your squad instead of just ordering them to do crap. We have too many stupid rules . Some how along the path of getting promoted , certain chiefs find it more important to check for black socks than more important issues. Thanks for the replies. To all be safe out there.


Not to sound like a ***** but when you say you do many car stops and enforcement to help the squad... do you ask any of your cops if they are LOOKING for a collar or do you just dump it on them assuming they are.. meanwhile they might have an engagement to attend after work at EOT?

The number one thing that any cop hate is to have a collar dumped on them, which I am more than sure you have had to have witnessed while being a police officer.

I surely plan to take the next sergeants exam coming up and when I pass, best believe it will be ASK FIRST, ASSIGN LATER. This goes for anything.

Maybe some cops would LOVE to stand at a barricade or sit in a booth for 8:35.. others might hate it with their passion and do not deserve to be sent there. ASK FIRST, ASSIGN LATER kicks in here as well.

Once again, I do not mean to post this in any disrespect but im sure you understand where I am coming from.

[NYPO]

I will never get over how some SERGEANTS think that they are mightier than GOD and forgot they were a short time ago COPS themselves. They took ONE exam and passed. Good for you, you deserve the raise but for crying out loud, its only one exam and you are exactly one rank above police officer.

Take it easy with the walking behind the desk rules, salute you like you are king rules, talk to cops(ball-less ones) like total disrespect and garbage.

I show all supervisors respect, regardless of rank. I just wish that they show some cops respect and understand that they are not a chief and when they retire they will become john q. citizen once again with a chance to get summonses and arrested.

A rank does not retire with you. It is PARA-MILITARY, not THE MILITARY.

End of rant.

Sorry. I was on a detail and had to vent with an overzealous sergeant and lieutenant who thought cops were too damn stupid to stand at a baricade.

Very well said, You hit it on the nail with the walking behind the desk thing. One Sgt. I had wouldn't let you step foot behind the desk for any reason but hell you could never get her attention since she was always on the phone talking (personal conversations). Was funny one day in roll call this Lt walks in and no one said or did anything different. We just listened to the Sgt give out assignments etc. He was brand new, looked like he spent 3 hours ironing his shirt to make it crisp. Stands at the podium and starts screaming about showing respect, wear your hats, I am a LT and you stand at attention. I want 4 ranks formation now! Well us newer guys were taken back but we did as he said, we got put our hats on, started to form up etc. A guy with 28 years on said, hey Lou How bout you go F*** yourself. Who da F*** you think you are talking to us like we're a bunch of perps. I don't take s*** from people on da streets and I definitely ain't taking no s*** from you. The Lt. said get out of roll call now Blah blah blah. They ended up stepping outside and we couldn't make out what was said but it was certainly loud. Lets just say the Lt. got so much disrespect he never pulled a stunt like that again and that cop didn't get in any trouble. Actually that night on patrol the Lt. wanted a driver, no one would volunteer and after that I guess he didn't feel like picking anyone so he drove around by himself. He was from Manhattan and never been in the bronx. An unknown officer requested the Lt. for assistance at an intersection that was 2 precincts away....... I think he got the hint HAHA

[nypdSarge80]

Wow. That Lt got what he had coming to him. TO answer your question, I let my squad get their own collars, if i find something with my driver and he doesnt want the arrest, there is always someone who wants a collar, some people want the OT. The only time i would force someone to take a collar is situations where i was called to the scene and it was a must arrest like domestic violence with visible injuries. I am not going to **** can collar for the cops. They need to that before i am called to the scene.

[NYCTNT]

Thank god... a sergeant that makes sense.

I fear for your career movement in the NYPD as you make too much sense. We all know the higher you go the more senseless acts you make.

Godspeed!

[NYPO]

Thank god... a sergeant that makes sense.

I fear for your career movement in the NYPD as you make too much sense. We all know the higher you go the more senseless acts you make.

Godspeed!

Well said, used to love the cops mother f'ing a sgt in the locker room, "Sgt. Smith(made up name) made me collar that skell blah blah." Its like Dude then why did you call him to the scene. Deal with your own crap and if you can't handle it, don't complain about what the Sgt had you do. I always called a senior officer over if I needed help before I called the Sgt.