has SDPD or SDSD started laying officer off?

[1970k10]

With all the budget woes have either of these departments slowed hiring or started laying officers off?

[SHU]

SDSO started slowing hiring last year. I do not think either department has let anyone go due to the economy.

[nobodyjr]

SDPD will not nor likely ever will in the near future. We operate too thin already. Right now there are over two hundred open budgeted positions. Plus right now new people are gaining seniority really fast.

[Garbage Man]

Agencies that size should never need to lay off, what they could do is not replace those who are leaving which is how most agencies work.

[willowdared]

SDSO isn't, just freeze/slow on hiring/OT at this point.

There are some vacancies they will keep closed, but also a slew of retirements coming up, so there will still be lots of movement.

I was hired during the last "crisis"...the one that led to Davis being replaced by Ahnold....I don't see any layoffs needed.

[Blue Leader]

Our mayor threatened that if Arnold takes more $$ from the cites that he may have to lay off another 124 cops and 124 FF's. I challenge him to go ahead and try. Hell, lay off 500 if you want. The ones that stay aren't going to work any harder or faster for this administration.

SDPD is budgeted for about 2150 officers. We are operating at about 2000 I think. We have 160'ish that are permanently light duty and can't work so that puts us at 1840. We have a verified 129 leaving by July 1 due to the City (and Mayor) screwing us on our latest contract. That puts us at about 1710.

I was screwing around on the internet the other day and Dallas is teh city closest to us in size/population. They have 50,000 *LESS* people than us and they have 2870 cops!! So even if we ever get to full staffing, we will always be behind where we really "should" be.

On top of that, the rumor is that the City/Dept managment plan to lower our budgeted positions since they know that we will never fill them because they (politicians/brass) are lying SOB's. That way they don't have to admit that we are running so short.

[Fuzz]

Because of the recent budget issues our department has lost any personell gains we made in the last 8 years. We are now operating at less than 1 officer per 1000 pop, the county average is around 1.3 and the national average is 2.5. We have not had to lay anyone off due to attrition, but our hiring has slowed almost to nothing. Its crazy when you look at staffing levels in other parts of the country they have so many more officers than this region.

[Garbage Man]

Because of the recent budget issues our department has lost any personell gains we made in the last 8 years. We are now operating at less than 1 officer per 1000 pop, the county average is around 1.3 and the national average is 2.5. We have not had to lay anyone off due to attrition, but our hiring has slowed almost to nothing. Its crazy when you look at staffing levels in other parts of the country they have so many more officers than this region.

At our staffing peak we were .07 per 1000.

Whats SD pop % to officer ratio?

[xdrcx]

At our staffing peak we were .07 per 1000.

Whats SD pop % to officer ratio?

I'm kinda tired for math, but I came up with 12 1/4 officers total for a population of 175,000 in Garden Grove based on your ratio??

I did the math the other way and got .97 officers per 1000, which is pretty low.

[Garbage Man]

I'm kinda tired for math, but I came up with 12 1/4 officers total for a population of 175,000 in Garden Grove based on your ratio??

I did the math the other way and got .97 officers per 1000, which is pretty low.

Dude tired is an understatement, are you sure alcohol wasnt involved? How do you end up with a fraction in a decimal equation? :)

1 officer per 1000 in a city is a 1000:1 ratio. We are .07 which is just less than 1... so if we had 175 officers then we would have the average ratio, if we had only 175000, but we actually have about 185000 citizens and we have at peak 165 officers and will probably drop to 155. So instead of having one cop for every 1000 citizens we have about .07 cop (Or one realy short cop) per 1000 citizens.

Now I looked up SD's pop according to the internet and it shows 3,001,072. This means you should have 3,000 cop minimum for a 1000:1 ration. Even at full staff your max of 2150 is shocking. and a .07 ratio. So you guys are really getting screwed down there.

[mobtown]

Dude tired is an understatement, are you sure alcohol wasnt involved? How do you end up with a fraction in a decimal equation? :)

1 officer per 1000 in a city is a 1000:1 ratio. We are .07 which is just less than 1... so if we had 175 officers then we would have the average ratio, if we had only 175000, but we actually have about 185000 citizens and we have at peak 165 officers and will probably drop to 155. So instead of having one cop for every 1000 citizens we have about .07 cop (Or one realy short cop) per 1000 citizens.
.07 or .7? .07 seems terribly low and is substantially less than 1.

1.0 = 100% ~ one normal sized officer
0.7 = 70% ~ one short officer
.07 = 7% ~ one miniature (toy sized) officer

[xdrcx]

Dude tired is an understatement, are you sure alcohol wasnt involved? How do you end up with a fraction in a decimal equation? :)

1 officer per 1000 in a city is a 1000:1 ratio. We are .07 which is just less than 1... so if we had 175 officers then we would have the average ratio, if we had only 175000, but we actually have about 185000 citizens and we have at peak 165 officers and will probably drop to 155. So instead of having one cop for every 1000 citizens we have about .07 cop (Or one realy short cop) per 1000 citizens.

Now I looked up SD's pop according to the internet and it shows 3,001,072. This means you should have 3,000 cop minimum for a 1000:1 ration. Even at full staff your max of 2150 is shocking. and a .07 ratio. So you guys are really getting screwed down there.

I wish it was alcohol related :) Fractions and decimals are the same thing. Decimals are just an easier was of saying the fraction x/100 or x/10 and so on. I do see that you may have your decimal in the wrong place. I can see .7 per 1000 still more likely than .07 per 1000. You can see the ratio better by saying .07/1000 = x(number of officers)/185,000(population). This is the same as 1000x=.07(185,000).

1000x = .07(185,000)
1000x = 12,950
x = 12,950/1000
x = 12.95 Officers

Move the decimal to the right for .7 and you come up with 129.5 or 129 1/2 Officers.

And Yes we are getting screwed left and right.

[Code Seven]

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[Code Seven]

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[Garbage Man]

OK OK I meant .7 sheesh...

[mobtown]

One short officer is only 70% of an officer? That's a very ignorant statement, especially coming from a non-LEO. And yes, I know you were trying to be funny. And since a lot of women are "shorter" than men, then according to your logic, many of them are less than a "full" officer? Stick to developing websites.
The statement actually had nothing to do with the percentage of an officer (what ever that means), men, women or the height difference between them but thanks for trying to twist my words.

If you go back and read the post I was responding to, Garbage Man's post, you would see that Garbage Man made the initial reference to height. Since I was responding to his post I kept with his line of reference.
[...] So instead of having one cop for every 1000 citizens we have about .07 cop (Or one realy short cop) per 1000 citizens.
It's sort of funny that you and I were both simply trying to point out the minor mistake in Garbage Man's post yet, for whatever reason, you focused on my words and tried to imply that I was saying something that couldn't be further from the truth. That's okay, I don't mind. I can handle it. Stay safe out there and have a great lunch, sarge. :)

[Code Seven]

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[agent99]

I'm 5'4" and 125, so would I be the short sized or the miniture version?:D

[Fuzz]

At our staffing peak we were .07 per 1000.

Whats SD pop % to officer ratio?

I think you looked at the population of the entire county of San Diego instead of the City.

City of San Diego population is around 1,300,000 as of 2008 with SDPD having an authorized 2150 ish sworn. I believe they are only around 1950 sworn right now though. That should be about 1.4 or 1.5 per 1000.

The smaller cities in the county hover closer to the 1 per 1000 mark. The county population is around 3,000,000 but you would have to add all of the smaller city police departments together to get a true average of officers per 1000 for the entire county.

[DOAcop38]

Dude tired is an understatement, are you sure alcohol wasnt involved? How do you end up with a fraction in a decimal equation? :)

1 officer per 1000 in a city is a 1000:1 ratio. We are .07 which is just less than 1... so if we had 175 officers then we would have the average ratio, if we had only 175000, but we actually have about 185000 citizens and we have at peak 165 officers and will probably drop to 155. So instead of having one cop for every 1000 citizens we have about .07 cop (Or one realy short cop) per 1000 citizens.

Now I looked up SD's pop according to the internet and it shows 3,001,072. This means you should have 3,000 cop minimum for a 1000:1 ration. Even at full staff your max of 2150 is shocking. and a .07 ratio. So you guys are really getting screwed down there.

Hey, we've got plenty of "wee" officers I can send your way( when they decide wearing "skin " tank tops, wearing tattoos and side burns aren't as COOL as doing "actual police work!")- we are trying to police a yrly travelling populace of 61 million, and a local resident and daily commercial populace of 75,000+ with 450 officers( roughly 200,000 people a day in an area only 10 sq miles !):rolleyes: "but" then again, middle class folks, working folks and college students don't kick up much crime !!!!

This is just another "example" of WHY gov't officials really need to be fiscally responsible( save when you got the $$$$, for rainy days ahead); sadly - in California , cops are like garbage men on their trucks- everyone complains, no one wants to see them around ,BUT when the "trash" is building up, they are suddenly supposed to handle it all.........