Please give me your opinion

[Gvina]

Hi there,

Please give me your opinions about our drug detection kits, and about our newly designed website (smile). Please note that they give no false positives (they're internationally patented). The site's address is www.drugsdetector.com (http://www.drugsdetector.com) .


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Webmaster,
www.drugsdetector.com
The only drug detection kit with no false positives (Internationally Patented).

[Sig220Man]

When you say 100% accuracy, you're putting yourself pretty far out on a weak limb.

In science, and in nature, there's no such thing as 100% anything. The OJ Simpson criminal trial proved that supposedly "foolproof" technologies like DNA can be shown to have faults and weaknesses. I wonder what Barry Sheck would have to say about your claim?

For these drug detection kits to prove their worth, you will need to prove their effectiveness in a court of law.


[This message has been edited by Sig220Man (edited 03-02-2001).]

[Gvina]

They will be tested in court in a short while, in the United States, and since I don't have all the details, I will ask someone else who knows more than me (I only manage the website) to post the reply in here, after the weekend...

Benny

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Webmaster,
www.drugsdetector.com
The only drug detection kit with no false positives (Internationally Patented).

[Niteshift]

I agree. The claim of 100% accuracy makes me skeptical from the start. My guess is that it will make most cops skeptical too.

My suggestion is to get a US university to run some double blind tests and then be able to say that this is how we know it's so accurate. Even the tests done in Israel give me only minimal information. No mention of how many tests were run, if it was a double blind test etc. Right now, all I see is a claim of 100% accuracy.

Court acceptance is strange. In FL, the field tests are presumptive, leading only to probable cause. The FDLE or another lab has to do the actual analysis of the item to support the charge in court.

Minor suggestion: Make it clear that this is not a test for use. I had to look for a minute to make sure this wasn't a urine test or something. It didn't tell me immediately that this is something I would use on the street. Maybe a pic of a cop using it beside a car or something. Sometimes we're not too bright http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif

The onther suggestion I have is to tell a civilian why they would need these kits. Personally, I don't know why. The only reason I've ever seen civilians doing drug test is dealers making sure that they are not getting ripped-off........certainly not your target market. Otherwise, if people find a suspected substance, they usually just call us and we test it.


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Niteshift-
Perseverate In Pugna

[Gvina]

Well... like I said - I only manage the website, so I will tell someone who knows more about what can get more specific.

And about your comments - first thing is that I am delighted about your comments, because they are very serious and professional.

I will take notice about making it more clear that our kits are for testing substances (not urine, for example). That is, however, mentioned in the main menu : "Whether you want to check substance for Marijuana/Hashish, Cocaine, Crack or Heroine - We supply the only reliable drug detection kit on the market." That's the second line in the first paragraph.

About putting a picture of cops using the kits, well, we will soon put on videos and things like that too, but on the other hand we don't want to drive away civilians, who might think the drug detection kits are only for professional police usage.

That brings us to the third issue... who can use it as a civilian. Well, worried parents who wants to know what's that thing their kids are smoking, hospitals, schools, etc. A lot of people might find it useful.

Thanks for your comments, I'll get the responses about the professional issues after the weekend, and if anyone has any other comments, please send them.

Have a nice quiet peaceful weekend!

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Webmaster,
www.drugsdetector.com
The only drug detection kit with no false positives (Internationally Patented).

[Niteshift]

"however, mentioned in the main menu : "Whether you want to check substance for Marijuana/Hashish, Cocaine, Crack or Heroine - We supply the only reliable drug detection kit on the market."

I see that, but that description could apply to a urine kit just as easily. The urine kits are commonly sold to jails, probation officers etc., so they would be marketed to a site like this too.

"know what's that thing their kids are smoking, hospitals, schools, etc"

Sorry, I just don't see it. Hospitals have labs in the building. Schools usually have resource officers on campus or they call us. Parents.......well let's face it, most parents know what pot looks and smells like and I don't need a test kit to tell me if my kid is smoking a small white chink of something in a pipe that what he is smoking isn't tobacco. And if he isn't a diabetic, he should have a syringe. I find that stuff, trust me, in less than 1 minute, I WILL have a FULL confession.


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Niteshift-
Perseverate In Pugna

[Sig220Man]

Police departments that have a need to field-test drugs already have one -- the Wells Test.

Like Florida, in CA a field test only establishes probable cause for arrest. In order to secure a conviction, another test has to be formally done by a lab recognized by the courts; this is usually the forensic lab run by the county sheriff or the state.

Again, unless you plan on marketing this product to drug dealers to ensure they're not getting "ripped off," I see very little market for this product.

Police officers are taught to recognize illegal drugs by sight and smell; the Wells Test is simply used as further evidence of the crime. Marijuana is the most obvious; once you've seen and especially smelled it, you DON'T need a test to confirm your suspicions.

With the other drugs, often you will find paraphernalia nearby, such as needles, cotton balls, and spoons for heroin, short straws for powder cocaine, or small glass tubes for crack. Presence of these items along with the suspected drugs has been accepted as probable cause by the courts for drug possession arrests. In many states (including CA), mere possession of drug paraphernalia is unlawful.

[yaacov]

Originally posted by Sig220Man:
When you say 100% accuracy, you're putting yourself pretty far out on a weak limb.

In science, and in nature, there's no such thing as 100% anything. The OJ Simpson criminal trial proved that supposedly "foolproof" technologies like DNA can be shown to have faults and weaknesses. I wonder what Barry Sheck would have to say about your claim?

For these drug detection kits to prove their worth, you will need to prove their effectiveness in a court of law.


[This message has been edited by Sig220Man (edited 03-02-2001).]

[yaacov]

Originally posted by Sig220Man:
When you say 100% accuracy, you're putting yourself pretty far out on a weak limb.

In science, and in nature, there's no such thing as 100% anything. The OJ Simpson criminal trial proved that supposedly "foolproof" technologies like DNA can be shown to have faults and weaknesses. I wonder what Barry Sheck would have to say about your claim?

For these drug detection kits to prove their worth, you will need to prove their effectiveness in a court of law.


[This message has been edited by Sig220Man (edited 03-02-2001).]
hi,
You are definite wright that we need to prove it in the court, and we hope that is only matter of time to prove it.
we are retired from the israeli police department and we have drug problems like in the states or in any other country in the world, that is the reason that we are confident with our new and unique product.
the inventor, was chief scientiest of the forensic department in the israeli police-a national department.
I would like to send you a sample, free of charge, of our detector and you will be able to understand better our position.
let me know your address if you want to receive the sample,
best regards,
yaacov
fpi_intl@netvision.net.il

[yaacov]

Originally posted by Niteshift:
I agree. The claim of 100% accuracy makes me skeptical from the start. My guess is that it will make most cops skeptical too.

My suggestion is to get a US university to run some double blind tests and then be able to say that this is how we know it's so accurate. Even the tests done in Israel give me only minimal information. No mention of how many tests were run, if it was a double blind test etc. Right now, all I see is a claim of 100% accuracy.

Court acceptance is strange. In FL, the field tests are presumptive, leading only to probable cause. The FDLE or another lab has to do the actual analysis of the item to support the charge in court.

Minor suggestion: Make it clear that this is not a test for use. I had to look for a minute to make sure this wasn't a urine test or something. It didn't tell me immediately that this is something I would use on the street. Maybe a pic of a cop using it beside a car or something. Sometimes we're not too bright http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif

The onther suggestion I have is to tell a civilian why they would need these kits. Personally, I don't know why. The only reason I've ever seen civilians doing drug test is dealers making sure that they are not getting ripped-off........certainly not your target market. Otherwise, if people find a suspected substance, they usually just call us and we test it.



hi,
I would like to give you more information about our product.
we know the presumptive tests conducted in FL
( ODV, NIK, SIRCHIE) and in many other places, and that is the reason that we are confident that our detector is the best on the market.
me and the inventor are retired from the israel police department, and we have some idea about the drug problem in our country, and in the world. we have tested the detector before many people in many countries including in the states, example at DEA and we get a very positive support
I would like to send you free of charge a sample of the detector, and if you agree let me know your adress.
sincerely,
yaacov
fpi_intl@netvision.net.il