Just because some might not know

[tonychicoca]

Ok sorry if you all know this already, I just seen a lot of Posts and threads about supplements with people un-sure what to take, this is just to help those few out. If you know any of this and would like to add, go for it. Lets help out every one. :) :) :) I am trying to keep it short and to the point, plus im no scientist.

First off, every one keeps posting "NoXplode"

Things you should know about NO xplode,

It got sued for having false advertisements, along with cell-mass. (there creatine product) Although it still may seem like a great product they have not changed anything new since it got sued, just the label calling it new technology
Well no xplode gives you vein pumping feeling
you mainly just like the pump feeling in the gym right? Alll that is called "L-Arganine" Its very cheap you can probably get about 50 times more the price you pay for that stuff online. Check that, its really not that important of a supplement. The caffiene is the only good part of noxplode and thats extremely cheap by itself too in pill form.

Also, Weight gainers are an extreme waste of money, you get about 5 days worth of calories/protein for about 30-60dollars All you need is a few things and itll top your calorie intake. PeanutButter and Jelly sanwiches, Extreme high calorie, and protein. Chocolate milk(lowfat) you can easily drink 2000 calories a day in this, and another 800 per sanwich of peanubutter and jelly, those are just a few that are high in calories, all im saying is food is a LOT better for you too.


I do however urge if you do workout regularly to use whey and glutamine and a multi vitamin, (If you use L-Arganine/No Xplode (Vein Burst) Ingredient, or you just actually still use a NO product which is fine) The multivitamin will be delivered a lot better to muscles anyways, greater blood flow for nutrients.

Creatine Is ok, I have never once seen benefical gains from it. Don't be fooled by ANYTHING ad's tell you. There is about I believe 4 sources of creatine in the world (Uncited) However the basic-basic creatine monohydrate for 8 dollars is the exact same you will recieve in cell-tech. for 80. The only thing cell tech has to offer is a sweet label.

If you are caught up on the brand Muscle Tech (hey they do make great products, just blown out of proportion-ads, over rated claimed results) But they are infact still good Check this brand out, its called SIXSTAR. This brand is the EXACT same company as muscle tech, under a diffrent name. They provide the same exact products under Sixstar, just a lot cheaper sold exclusively to walmart costco and sometimes online.

A word about creatine, you will get a 2-5% strength increase which is fine, It may make you look bulkier which is water retention in your muscles, this is a side-effect not the result you look for, Creatine is meant for energy. nothing else. CYCLE YOUR CREATINE, you won't lose ANY creatine-strength you had for 4 weeks after your last use, and you need to give your liver a chance to rest.

There is plenty of other supplements out there, but They big ones are Protein(whey) Glutamine(Recovery) and creatine. The new one every one loves in the nitric oxide, I do enjoy it its just really a placebo, don't waste your money. buy L-Arganine.

Alright guys, sorry if you all knew that i just saw a lot of posts curious and wanted to at least get a small background of some of the products that people weren't sure of but still purchasing.

I think your percentage should be like this 50% nutrition 30% Resting 20% HARD HARD training in the gym. Don't over do it. The more you work out without resting the less results youll notice. Never workout the same muscle more than 1 time a week, without proper nutrtion or youll actually lose strength and size.

[WillBrink]

Things you should know about NO xplode,

It got sued for having false advertisements,

I cover that in a blog here:

http://www.brinkzone.com/blog/supplement-science/bsn-guilty-the-next-cee-scam/


I do however urge if you do workout regularly to use whey and glutamine

Glutamine has no effects on performance, strength, or muscle mass per every study that's looked at it. May have some medical/health uses, but it's a waste of $$$ as a sports nutrition supp used by healthy athlete types.

Creatine Is ok,

Creatine is the most researched supplement in history.

I have never once seen benefical gains from it.

Then you are in the minority. Studies fnd approx 30% of users are "non responders" but there could be other reasons for your lack of response.

However the basic-basic creatine monohydrate

Yes, basic CM is the way to go. The rest are a waste of $$$. However, not all creatine monohydate is created equal, so before you recommend Six Star, etc, see "What's in your creatine?":

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?acatid=3&aid=89


A word about creatine, you will get a 2-5% strength increase

Where are you getting that number from?

which is fine, It may make you look bulkier which is water retention in your muscles, this is a side-effect not the result you look for,

False. Intra cellular water is an anabolic stimulus.

Creatine is meant for energy. nothing else.

Also false. Creatine has a long list of potential health benefits. A substantial body of research that found creatine may help with diseases effecting the neuro muscular system, such as muscular dystrophy and may have therapeutic applications in aging populations, wasting syndromes, muscle atrophy, fatigue, myopathies, Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease and other mitochondrial cytopathies. Several studies have shown it may reduce cholesterol by up to 15% and has been used to correct certain inborn errors of metabolism, such as people born without the enzyme(s) responsible for making creatine. If interested in learning about the various uses of creatine, see free report at: www.Creatine-report.com



CYCLE YOUR CREATINE,

There's no reason to cycle creatine. People can do so if they want, but there is no particular reason to do so.

you won't lose ANY creatine-strength you had for 4 weeks after your last use, and you need to give your liver a chance to rest.

Liver? Most say kidneys. Neither is true. Side effects, or lack there of, are covered in above report.

and wanted to at least get a small background of some of the products that people weren't sure of but still purchasing.

As much of the advice/info you have offered is wrong and or based on myths (give the liver a 'rest' indeed...) it does not appear you have exactly set the record straight or added helpull info people can use. :(

[Adam354]

I just wanted to throw out there that I purchased 50 pounds of whey protein for 170 dollars. :D Its not as cheap as eggs but cheaper than any of my other protein intakes, except for maybe peanut butter, which is starting to scare me. And that seems like really good info on the noxplode! Sources are always appreciated. ;)

[JSD73]

Thanks Will, articulate as always.

Also, uhhh, peanut butter? Not a "high" source of protein at all. One simple scoop of whey protein, or casein, can give one 30+ grams of protein in one convenient guzzle. One tbspn of pb is approximately 8 grams.

In regards to not working a muscle more than 1 time per week. Biceps are involved in back training, triceps in chest training and shoulder training, traps are involved in back, shoulder, and various other movements. There's really no way around not hitting a muscle more than once per week, in fact, for those that can handle it, training a muscle group twice per week may in fact provide accelerated gains.

Thanks for setting the record straight though ;)

Oh and creatine, one of THE MOST studied supplements out there, one with actual long term studies done on it.

[WillBrink]

Thanks Will, articulate as always.

Thanx bro. ;)

Also, uhhh, peanut butter? Not a "high" source of protein at all. One simple scoop of whey protein, or casein, can give one 30+ grams of protein in one convenient guzzle. One tbspn of pb is approximately 8 grams.

8 grams from a non complete/vege source (making it less useful) in addition to almost as much fat.

In regards to not working a muscle more than 1 time per week. Biceps are involved in back training, triceps in chest training and shoulder training, traps are involved in back, shoulder, and various other movements. There's really no way around not hitting a muscle more than once per week, in fact, for those that can handle it, training a muscle group twice per week may in fact provide accelerated gains.

Agreed.

[ateamer]

I've been using creatine almost continuously since January, 1997, with no more than 10 weeks total of the entire time not using it. I have no ill effects whatsoever - liver and kidney function is just fine, as borne out by annual physical including full blood profile.

I'll go with what Will Brink says - he knows more about supplements than all the rest of us put together.

[marcusindc]

Since NO-XPLODE is dumped on, what type of pre-workout 'supplement' do you recommend? It worked for me for 2 weeks and has since fizzled out. All it does now is make me run to the crapper before a workout.

I took it for 2 reasons - I workout in the morning and it helps to wake me up and also because I felt it helped me pump out a few extra when I might otherwise be tired out.

(p.s. I hate coffee, so that ain't an option)

[AJG8]

gaspari nutrition and competitive edge labs! best products.

[Jay718]

I love N.O. explode.....drinking it right now as i type lol.....even if it does nothing for me, the least it does is give me a little extra boost to want to go to the gym, i guess it could be a mental thing, but i enjoy it........brb gotta run to the bathroom now :)

[basspro]

Its funny when a guy comes on here with 5 posts listing his occupation as student thinks he is an expert on something.

Thanks for the free advice Tony, but I will listen to Will and JSD when it comes to the real truth. At least they do their research.

[maddbomber]

i read through that post the other day but i had to go to work before i had time to reply....will did a great job.....

www.bodybuildingforyou.com is a great website/forum for fitness....tons of info over there

[WillBrink]

I love N.O. explode.....drinking it right now as i type lol.....even if it does nothing for me, the least it does is give me a little extra boost to want to go to the gym, i guess it could be a mental thing, but i enjoy it........brb gotta run to the bathroom now :)

Sure it gives you a boost, it has caffeine, creatine, and some other useful stuff, mixed with a whole bunch of worthless stuff, but with an 18000mg "Proprietary Blend" you have no idea how much of each you are getting. ;)

Try a strong cup of black coffee and 3-5gs of L Tyrosine before you hit the gym and you will feel great. NO explode is not a terrible product as that type of product goes, it's just a kitchen sink formula that has a lot of added stuff you don't need to pay for, and you don't know what it is you are getting for doses as mentioned above...

[WillBrink]

Its funny when a guy comes on here with 5 posts listing his occupation as student thinks he is an expert on something.


No comment...:rolleyes:

[JSD73]

Its funny when a guy comes on here with 5 posts listing his occupation as student thinks he is an expert on something.

Thanks for the free advice Tony, but I will listen to Will and JSD when it comes to the real truth. At least they do their research.

Thanks, but post counts aren't indicative of knowledge and I by no means am an expert just someone whose been in the iron game for almost 23 years now and by trial and error and thousands of dollars wasted believes he has a grip on what is worthwhile or not. In fact, my biggest decision in my life is now how I want to train...do I train for strength and hypertrophy anymore or do I train for conditioning and a leaner look. I've refocused much of my priorities and just cancelled my gym membership to focus on the conditioning aspect....one day soon I'll revisit a gym, or have some more equipment at home to give me the bare basics....

Anywho, there are quite a few members who have their knowledge in some aspects and lacking in others, myself being no exception.

[marcusindc]

Sure it gives you a boost, it has caffeine, creatine, and some other useful stuff, mixed with a whole bunch of worthless stuff, but with an 18000mg "Proprietary Blend" you have no idea how much of each you are getting. ;)

Try a strong cup of black coffee and 3-5gs of L Tyrosine before you hit the gym and you will feel great. NO explode is not a terrible product as that type of product goes, it's just a kitchen sink formula that has a lot of added stuff you don't need to pay for, and you don't know what it is you are getting for doses as mentioned above...

I said no coffee and you recommend coffee. :rolleyes:

What's your take on this supplement Will - http://www.supplements101.com/SuperPump_250_p/gassuperpump250.htm

or http://www.vpxsports.com/sports-nutrition-supplements/pre-workout/no-shotgun.aspx

I did not research either yet, just asking you since you seem to be the knowledgable one here for this. What's your take?

[marcusindc]

Ah, got another question.

I take creatine (http://controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=49) on my weight resistance days... so 3x a week. Should I also be taking on my days off and/or cardio days?

[kmagnuss]

yes. 10 characters.

[WillBrink]

I said no coffee and you recommend coffee. :rolleyes:



Then use caffeine pills. Geez. 100-200mg.

What's your take on this supplement Will - http://www.supplements101.com/SuperPump_250_p/gassuperpump250.htm

or http://www.vpxsports.com/sports-nutrition-supplements/pre-workout/no-shotgun.aspx

I did not research either yet, just asking you since you seem to be the knowledgable one here for this. What's your take?

Without going into the pros and cons of each compound in each product, same comments per the other formula: a lot of stuff not worth paying for.

[Adam354]

Oh and creatine, one of THE MOST studied supplements out there, one with actual long term studies done on it.


Do you mind finding a source for this? The reason I ask is because I just read an ACSM newsletter saying there are no long term studies on it.

[WillBrink]

Do you mind finding a source for this? The reason I ask is because I just read an ACSM newsletter saying there are no long term studies on it.

As mentioned above, see www.Creatine-report.com

Citations for studies looking for side effects are given. What does the ACSM define as long term? 6 months? 10 years? :rolleyes:

[Code Seven]

http://www.officer.com/images/officer.com.jpg

[Adam354]

As mentioned above, see www.Creatine-report.com

Citations for studies looking for side effects are given. What does the ACSM define as long term? 6 months? 10 years? :rolleyes:

Lol. I'll check it out, but I think ACSM was referring to a period longer than that, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't hold ACSM as the know it all. Pshhh, but I hold it higher than ACE!

[djblank87]

Where the heck is the OP? He came in here and tried to lay down the supplement god laws. I don't know much about supplements but I know enough to say that the OP has been schooled by Will, JSD and ateamer.

[WillBrink]

Lol. I'll check it out, but I think ACSM was referring to a period longer than that, but I'm not sure. Either way, I don't hold ACSM as the know it all. Pshhh, but I hold it higher than ACE!

Then the ACSM is using a classic double standard; Many drugs (that turned out to be toxic BTW) have gone to market with far fewer studies and far less safety data and track record, then creatine monohydrate. And, I bet they also ignore the large body of data showing potential health benefits of CM as covered extensively in my report.

The ACSM as an org, tends to be out of date and very conservative, to the point of being wrong at times.

Those voicing concerns about the safety of CM*, really need to move along....:cool:

* = CM only. No other form of creatine is included or implied.

[Adam354]

I'm not going to trust the US with what they put on the market, but I agree that ACSM seems very conservative. They did say that they are not sure that the increased level of creatine actually converts into the phosphate needed to produce ATP. I'm shaky on the subject, but I wish there was a better way to test what happens in the cell other than doing studies that can heavily be influenced by placebo. Either way, I use it!

ps: Do you think they would add a training log subforum?