Firearms + NYPD

[kxl77]

Hypothetical: Say I were to purchase a personal firearm (ie shotgun/rifle/pistol) would I have to register it with the department and put it on my 10 card? If so how would I go about doing that? I know I registered one other firearm with the department when I got on.. but I'm not too sure what needs to be done now.

[NYCTNT]

Long guns need not to be registered on you "10" card.

This only applies to pistols.

Call the range for a more indepth answer.

[NorwichCadet]

isn't that different for NYC though? Certain rifles arn't allowed in NYC correct? Long Island really doesnt have that many restrictions to rifles

[nyballer31]

All of NYS falls under the AWB which includes Long Island.For Police Offices/ Peace Officers I believe we can own any assault rife we want even with those evil features but once we retire we must either sell it or convert it so it is consider legal under the AWB.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

if you are a po living in the confines of nyc all firearms pistols and long guns must be on ur 10 card...if you live outside of the city only pistols have to be on the ten card not long guns

[NYPO]

You only have to tell the dept about your firearm if you purchase it with your shield. If you have a pistol permit the dept doesn't need to know

[Dinosaur32]

I believe if you want to add a pistol to a NYC carry permit you need a purchase order (?) from 1PP.....guess the Dept could find out.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i would rather buy on my shield i like to walk out the store with things i pay for not wait for it

[Brendon]

Don't you have to qualify with a firearm first before they let you carry it off duty? (If you're not purchasing the same weapon for off duty that you use on duty)

[NYCTNT]

Off duty is off duty. You purchase one of 4 allowable off duty models, "register it", shoot it all you want.. you just cannot carry it until you qualify at the range with it.

As a NYC PO, we cannot just go carry any gun we want. We can own just about any gun, but we can only carry a select few when we qualify with it.

[jerry40]

As a NYC PO, we cannot just go carry any gun we want. We can own just about any gun, but we can only carry a select few when we qualify with it.

Retarded liberal rule!!! The perps with hot guns carry whatever they want! Bullshyte!!

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i agree jerry i have a beautiful S&W model 60 i was given as a grad present by my uncle who retired i wish i could carry it its the perfect backup

[bluelieu]

You only have to tell the dept about your firearm if you purchase it with your shield. If you have a pistol permit the dept doesn't need to know

Wrong:
PG 204-10
PURCHASE FROM OTHER THAN EQUIPMENT SECTION
6. Submit copy of bill of sale to desk officer/counterpart of permanent
command without delay.

[NYCTNT]

I wish I can carry a nice Glock in .40 caliber off duty.

I would feel much safer knowing my gun is no ordinary pee-shooter and has much more stopping power than 90% of the guns in the street.

Also, there is no way around in letting the department/nys police know about your new gun purchase. Even if its from cop-to-cop, a bill of sale and an aquisition/requisition form must be filled out/printed.

[nyballer31]

Wrong:
PG 204-10
PURCHASE FROM OTHER THAN EQUIPMENT SECTION
6. Submit copy of bill of sale to desk officer/counterpart of permanent
command without delay.

I thought that only only applied to off duty handguns and pistols for recreational use.That doesn't apply to Long guns though does it?

[bluelieu]

I thought that only only applied to off duty handguns and pistols for recreational use.That doesn't apply to Long guns though does it?

True nyballer, but NYPO was talking about purchases on a "pistol permit".

[NYCTNT]

I have the PG in front of me and cant find a darn thing about long guns. I did read several section on purchasing pistols from equipment section, from licence holder and from mos-to-mos.

I/O 204-10, I/O 204-13, and I/O 204-14.

Pages 213-226.

[bluelieu]

There isn't any, TNT.

[NYCTNT]

I just wanted to make sure because I KNOW that the range/nor the NYSP can or wish to obtain information on long guns as they are not mandated to obtain that information as per the US BATF. It is not a federal regulation unlike pistols. I was more interested to know if the job needs any sort of reciept or something for "their" records.

Which ****es me off that law biding citizens need to wait on NYC/NYPD to obtain a permit to purchase a long gun for home defense.

[bluelieu]

Which ****es me off that law biding citizens need to wait on NYC/NYPD to obtain a permit to purchase a long gun for home defense.

IMO: The less, the better...we'd have a heck of a time if 1/2 of our "citizens" had long guns...can anyone say "sniping from the rooftops"?

[NYCTNT]

Yea but to wait about 2 years for a permit is just a bit rediculous. My belief is burglaries/general crime would be way down due to the criminals knowing or believing more and more honest people are obtaining home defense weapons without strict restraints.

[NYPO]

Wrong:
PG 204-10
PURCHASE FROM OTHER THAN EQUIPMENT SECTION
6. Submit copy of bill of sale to desk officer/counterpart of permanent
command without delay.

They are referring to purchasing weapons with your Police ID. The equipment section sells guns, if you buy it from the equipment section you do not need to fill out the paperwork at your command as it is taken care of at the equipment section. If you apply for a NYS pistol permit you must purchase a weapon to go on that permit, you cannot use a weapon you have purchased with your Police ID. If you purchase a weapon with a NYS pistol permit you do not need to fill out an aquisition/disposition form. The purpose of the aquisition/disposition form is to keep track of firearms with the state and department. With all that said, if you buy a handgun with your shield/ID you notify your command ASAP. If you purchase a handgun with a NYS pistol permit you do not need to tell NYPD.

[bluelieu]

They are referring to purchasing weapons with your Police ID. The equipment section sells guns, if you buy it from the equipment section you do not need to fill out the paperwork at your command as it is taken care of at the equipment section. If you apply for a NYS pistol permit you must purchase a weapon to go on that permit, you cannot use a weapon you have purchased with your Police ID. If you purchase a weapon with a NYS pistol permit you do not need to fill out an aquisition/disposition form. The purpose of the aquisition/disposition form is to keep track of firearms with the state and department. With all that said, if you buy a handgun with your shield/ID you notify your command ASAP. If you purchase a handgun with a NYS pistol permit you do not need to tell NYPD.

NYPO: you are still required to report the purchase of a handgun...they have to know how many to voucher when you're suspended...all handguns are also required to be entered on the annual printout from FTS.

[kingofqueens718]

Yea but to wait about 2 years for a permit is just a bit rediculous. My belief is burglaries/general crime would be way down due to the criminals knowing or believing more and more honest people are obtaining home defense weapons without strict restraints.


There's also the chance that we'd see more tragedies along the lines of the one in Binghamton...but that's just my opinion.

[Brendon]

Off duty is off duty. You purchase one of 4 allowable off duty models, "register it", shoot it all you want.. you just cannot carry it until you qualify at the range with it.

As a NYC PO, we cannot just go carry any gun we want. We can own just about any gun, but we can only carry a select few when we qualify with it.

Really, what models? I know On Duty you're allowed to carry one of three different types (all 9mm).

[Brendon]

There's also the chance that we'd see more tragedies along the lines of the one in Binghamton...but that's just my opinion.

I don't think so. It's all ready too easy to get a gun by illegal means. That won't deter any real criminal, only honest citizens.

[Xjarhead]

Originally Posted by kingofqueens718
There's also the chance that we'd see more tragedies along the lines of the one in Binghamton...but that's just my opinion.

Thats nonsense, there are over 100,000,000 firearms in this country, these acts are few and far between thats why they are such big news. By this rational the whole country should be like the wild west every day. :cool:

[BigWill2876]

Various studies have shown that in the States that have changed their restrictive carry/purchasing laws to make it easier for normal citizens to purchase/carry that violent crime has reduced ABOVE the general reduction of crime in the US since tighter sentencing laws have been instituted.
For you that can't figure that out, New York State has some of the highest/most restrictive laws in the US in attempting to disarm regular/normal citizens of NY State, second only to New Jersey. So how would making more restrictive help in NY State ?
It has been shown over many years and now in many States that the liberal thought process is wrong about gun laws.

For example; In Florida it is now illegal to not allow any citizen to CCDW in Florida that has taken and passed the gun safety class and has not been either in a mental institution or conviced of a felony. Result was not a sudden rash of old timers blowing away each other in retirement homes, but a REDUCTION of violent crimes ABOVE the national averages.

[soon2retire]

I agree 100%-more gun laws=more crime

[RMP911]

HI ALL.
I am seeking advice regarding the NYPD RMP brief history I volunteered during 911 and in 2006 the NYPD had asked if the retired (I retired in 1991) guys would like to volunteer for this program. Basically GOD FORBID in the event of another terrorist attack to NYC we would be mobilized and activated and we are COVERED UNDER 50 K ETC and would have police officer/peace officer status.

Those who said yes were issued new I.D. CARDS which say NYPD R.M.P. ACTIVELY RETIRED NYPD retiree mobilization plan with our name and tax # and a bar code also have original I.D. card. ALSO took test for the citywide & national incident management system training in the level of ICS-100, ICS-200, IS-700

MY question is complex one where I CAN’T seem to get a straight answer so any input or advice would be greatly appreciated. As a retired NYC police officer I have to follow all laws as a civilian NO PROBLEM (if I buy a new gun or rifle it has to be NYS COMPLIANT post 1994 pistols and rifles mags have no more then a 10 rounds UNLESS I HAVE pre-ban mags for the new guns etc) ALL other guns I had prior to the AWB of 1994 if they have a 15 round mag or 30 does not matter I AM LEGAL UNDER THE CURRENT LAWS.

NOW comes the tough question which I have contacted the local ATF office and I was told not to worry about anything retires are covered under HR-218 we can carry almost anything that is legal in NYS. NYSP say no if you have a pre-ban gun you are okay anything after 1994 is no good meaning if something went down and I had a new pistol or rifle I would still fall under the 1994 ban if the gun only came with a 10 round mag and there were mags made after 1994 that held 15 rounds for the new gun I can’t have them I would be charged with a felony I even contacted my local pistol license division and they said hey you are a retired cop do not worry about anything. But in the event of GOD FORBID ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK I and many other retires would be mobilized AND HAVE POLICE OFFICER STATUS.

BUT if there is any new type of bans restricting any of the above and we are mobilized which laws would be in effect I know this is hard questions since I do not know at this time if any bans or new restrictions’ are coming up and if there was new laws which one would be in effect I HAVE EVEN CONTACTED THE LEGAL DIVISION and they are not sure the only reason I am asking this question is that I want to make sure I am 100% legal and that I AM NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS THANK YOU I hope this make sense to any who read this.

[NYCTNT]

federal law supercedes nysp rules. make sure you get it in writing from BATF.

[BigWill2876]

Remember you have an age limitation under 218 so even thou you retired OK in '91 you need to check your age.

Mag limits, type ammo are so screwed up in NY and NJ that even the State AG's can't give a clear WRITTEN opinion that is definitive.

Try writing the State of NY AG in Albany and let us know what type of response you receive.


As an aside, what type of mag capacity do you want to carry ? Are you anticipating a "Heat" type shootout with high capacity military rifles and steel jacketed/armor piercing ammo ? Make sure your velcro sneaker straps are tight if you pull an "Al" and chase the bad guys thru streets, parking lots, and parks. If you haven't hit the bad guy in the first 10 rounds the next 6 are likely to go down range as well...

[RMP911]

I Did back in 2006 they refereed me to the ATF field office in BROOKLYN NY agent there told me HR 218 supersedes any state law .AS long as I meet the criteria of 218 which I do.
I had asked if they could send me any paper work on this and they were very polite and helpful .All they said is that I have to get a copy of HR 218 off the internet and it is very self explanatory and if any LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPT DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS THAT THEY SHOULD CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY.
But as of this date it seems that either nobody wants’ to commit or does not know and I am not bad mouthing any DEPT or agency nor want to start a rant just trying to find the right answer and if possible have it writing .

[RMP911]

Remember you have an age limitation under 218 so even thou you retired OK in '91 you need to check your age.

Mag limits, type ammo are so screwed up in NY and NJ that even the State AG's can't give a clear WRITTEN opinion that is definitive.

Try writing the State of NY AG in Albany and let us know what type of response you receive.


As an aside, what type of mag capacity do you want to carry ? Are you anticipating a "Heat" type shootout with high capacity military rifles and steel jacketed/armor piercing ammo ? Make sure your velcro sneaker straps are tight if you pull an "Al" and chase the bad guys thru streets, parking lots, and parks. If you haven't hit the bad guy in the first 10 rounds the next 6 are likely to go down range as well...

BW you are so right this should be a simple Q & A but i have been running in circles tring to get the right answer.

[Xjarhead]

The way the city throws guys under the bus, stay home!

[RMP911]

federal law supercedes nysp rules. make sure you get it in writing from BATF.

NYCTNT.

Just an update today I called the NYS AG IN ALBANY they referred me to the NYSP I WILL BE LEAVING THE NAMES OUT ON PURPOSE. NYSP said that state overrules federal law’s including HR 218.
Contacted ATF IN Brooklyn agent there said the state was wrong and that as long as you fall into the terms and requirements of HR 218 and every year qualify with what ever gun’s is on your license or if you just want to qualify with one that YOU PLAN ON CARRYING THAT is fine and you pass the test and get the card stating that you met the requirements of the test and passed you are covered under HR 218.
I ASKED again if the ATF could send me something in writing and all the agent said was either GOOGLE IT or contact the FOP, NYCPBA or any other law enforcement agency. ALL the people I spoke to were very professional but I still do not have SOMETHING in writing to prove what law covers us in NY STATE it seems that nobody has a real answer or is not sure I do not know.