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Sig4U
03-31-2009, 03:40 PM
Ever since the murder of the 4 Oakland Officers, it seems like criminals think it's open season on the Police. Look what happened early Sunday morning in my neck of the woods....


http://www.modbee.com/local/story/648161.html


Officer, dog square off against Modesto mob of 60
By Leslie Albrecht
lalbrecht@modbee.com


A Modesto police officer had to pull his gun to keep a hostile crowd at bay early Sunday.

The officer sustained minor injuries in the southwest Modesto incident, said police spokesman Sgt. Brian Findlen. Police are not releasing the officer's name. The officer's dog was assaulted but not seriously injured, Findlen said. Police arrested several suspects in connection with the incident. A loaded assault rifle was found later at the scene of the struggle, which unfolded about 2 a.m.

Findlen said the officer pulled his gun only after other deterrents, including his police dog, failed to keep the crowd under control. "In a situation where you really feel that your life is in imminent danger, your options become very few," Findlen said.
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Some members of the crowd told the officer that "he was not going to leave the scene alive," according to police.

The crowd of as many as 60 people included some known gang members, Findlen said. Police believe the group was gathered for a party in the 1700 block of Pelton Avenue. The officer happened upon the group when he was responding to another call in the area.

The officer saw several people assaulting one man, Findlen said. As the officer tried to break up the fight, the crowd's attention shifted from the assault victim to the officer. The crowd surrounded the officer. The officer sent his dog into the crowd in an attempt to stop the group.

The dog apprehended one suspect, who police later identified as 18-year-old Alfredo Espinoza of Modesto. As the officer tried to arrest Espinoza, the crowd pulled Espinoza away from the officer.

According to police, some in the crowd then challenged the officer to a fight. One suspect attacked the officer, police said.

The officer's two-way radio was broken during the struggle. The officer then used his gun to hold off the crowd as he tried to tell neighbors to call 911. Someone in the crowd had a police scanner, Findlen said, and told the rest of the crowd that other officers weren't responding to the scene. It was then that the officer was told he wouldn't be leaving the scene alive, according to police.

Backup units responded after calls from other residents.

Other officers responding to the scene stopped a vehicle and found Espinoza inside, Findlen said. The driver, 20-year-old Modesto resident Andrew Mitchell, and the passenger, 19-year-old Modesto resident Matthew Reyes, were arrested on suspicion of resisting and delaying a police officer, assaulting a police dog, and "lynching." Lynching is a law enforcement term that means forcibly removing a suspect -- in this case, Espinoza -- from police custody.

Two police scanners were found in the vehicle.

Two other suspects were arrested at the scene of the struggle. William Rodriguez, 29, of Modesto was arrested on suspicion of assaulting a police officer, false imprisonment of a police officer and lynching. Junior Suarez, 19, of Modesto was arrested on suspicion of resisting and delaying a police officer and lynching.

Officers reportedly found a loaded assault rifle magazine near the scene of the assault.

During a follow-up investigation later Sunday morning, police said, officers found a loaded, banned assault rifle that police believe was used at the scene of the party. Gabriel Avila, 21, of Modesto was arrested on suspicion of possessing an assault rifle.

Detectives are continuing their investigation. Anyone with information is asked to called the Modesto Police Department at 572-9500 or Crime Stoppers at 521-4636. Tipsters also can text information to 274637. Type "TIP704" with your message.


Tough times, guys. Everyone be safe out there. Tighten your guard a little more.

ten08
03-31-2009, 03:52 PM
What ever happened to waiting for your back up?

Sig4U
03-31-2009, 03:57 PM
What ever happened to waiting for your back up?

He was responding to a different call and saw some guys beating up another guy. I imagine the Officer notified dispatch he was breaking from the other call for a fight in progress (dispatch should be directing a few extra units his way right now). Was he supposed to sit in his car and watch the guy get beat up? No...

SoCalSheriff
03-31-2009, 04:01 PM
Per the article, the officer was in the area reference another, unrelated call, when he observed the assault. He attempted to stop the assault when it went downhill....

Good that he made it without any serious injuries.

aWAKEnD
04-01-2009, 03:28 AM
Glad the dog is ok too...

Be safe out there guys

ExSDSO
04-01-2009, 03:49 AM
if crap really hit the fan he should have made one of those losers an example by doing a double tap failure drill on'em maybe the crowd would think otherwise after seeing one of there homies get tactically smoked!

Berlioz
04-01-2009, 04:52 AM
if crap really hit the fan he should have made one of those losers an example by doing a double tap failure drill on'em maybe the crowd would think otherwise after seeing one of there homies get tactically smoked!

I was about to say...a warning shot is more than justified in that particular scenario.

yellowreef
04-01-2009, 05:45 AM
I was about to say...a warning shot is more than justified in that particular scenario.

Yup, a warning shot to center mass on the first guy, warning others not to follow in his footsteps.

ExSDSO
04-01-2009, 12:05 PM
Yup, a warning shot to center mass on the first guy, warning others not to follow in his footsteps.

These S bags know how to push our Use Of Force policy, I am almost positive they know what they can and cant do before we end up giving them the taser, stick time, OC, or hands on and so on and so forth...

I show no mercy for Parolees, Probationers and if you effin dress, talk, act and walk like a gangmember....guess what your treated like one till you prove me otherwise.


If you can find anything to violate these S bags I suggest you guys do so lol :D

LAschoolCop
04-01-2009, 12:27 PM
If I feel my life is in danger (which his was) then deadly force is justified!! After the comment was made that he wouldnt be leaving alive, the next person that would have got close enough to harm me then he would have received the first double tap!!

ExSDSO
04-01-2009, 01:45 PM
If I feel my life is in danger (which his was) then deadly force is justified!! After the comment was made that he wouldnt be leaving alive, the next person that would have got close enough to harm me then he would have received the first double tap!!

F YEAH BROTHER!

samertime
04-02-2009, 12:34 PM
I don't know if I would shoot because it may cause the other crooks to rush you. Perfect time to deploy the boomer though... Skip the buckshot off the ground to hit them in the shins and ankles. I hope you guys are seriously going in there hard and hooking them all... Cite the grandmas of the neighborhood too... And btw make sure you relay the info to the deputies if you book them into the so custody... We have ways of making them very uncomfortable in custody.

ExSDSO
04-02-2009, 08:01 PM
I don't know if I would shoot because it may cause the other crooks to rush you. Perfect time to deploy the boomer though... Skip the buckshot off the ground to hit them in the shins and ankles. I hope you guys are seriously going in there hard and hooking them all... Cite the grandmas of the neighborhood too... And btw make sure you relay the info to the deputies if you book them into the so custody... We have ways of making them very uncomfortable in custody.

F YEAH BRO!!! Thats what im talking about!

ten08
04-02-2009, 08:32 PM
He was responding to a different call and saw some guys beating up another guy. I imagine the Officer notified dispatch he was breaking from the other call for a fight in progress (dispatch should be directing a few extra units his way right now). Was he supposed to sit in his car and watch the guy get beat up? No...

You mean rather than turn a fight into a shooting?

yellowreef
04-03-2009, 08:32 AM
Skip the buckshot off the ground to hit them in the shins and ankles.

I don't know about your agency (if you are in fact a LEO), but for most that would get you in more trouble than just shooting center mass. It would most likely be construed as intentionally maiming the subjects, which would certainly get you sued and potentially in jail.

Magic Matt
04-03-2009, 11:08 AM
I don't know about your agency (if you are in fact a LEO), but for most that would get you in more trouble than just shooting center mass. It would most likely be construed as intentionally maiming the subjects, which would certainly get you sued and potentially in jail.

YES, that would be a really bad idea….. Holly Crap!: :eek: :eek: :eek:

(I think that is done in prison with birdshot, but NOT on the street!):rolleyes:

Magic Matt
04-03-2009, 11:12 AM
Also what’s a warning shot…? :rolleyes:

Does anyone do that…?

That too would get me fired from my agency. Shoot them (center of mass) or don’t shot at all…….

ExSDSO
04-03-2009, 06:23 PM
Also what’s a warning shot…? :rolleyes:

Does anyone do that…?

That too would get me fired from my agency. Shoot them (center of mass) or don’t shot at all…….

Per a Secret Service Agent I met....HE SAID they are allowed to shoot at planes moving or parked and fire warning shots. I also heard Air & Marine with CBP can fire warning shots.


Can you imagine shooting a freakin plane to save or defend the President!? Would a .40 round even make a difference lol

Five-0fromSoCal
04-04-2009, 01:04 PM
Also what’s a warning shot…? :rolleyes:

Does anyone do that…?

That too would get me fired from my agency. Shoot them (center of mass) or don’t shot at all…….

Yes, we are allowed to fire warning shots if deadly force is justified.

CH47Doc
04-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Yes, we are allowed to fire warning shots if deadly force is justified.


if its justified, youve passed the 'warning stage'.

Plaso
04-06-2009, 06:55 PM
I don't know about your agency (if you are in fact a LEO), but for most that would get you in more trouble than just shooting center mass. It would most likely be construed as intentionally maiming the subjects, which would certainly get you sued and potentially in jail.

Easy youngsters. Let me see 60 to 1 odds and they are declaring their intentions by telling you you won't leave alive.........hum.......seems like deadly force would be authorized to protect yourself.

RoadKingTrooper
04-06-2009, 07:08 PM
Warning shot to center of mass

serenade84
04-06-2009, 10:44 PM
He obviously did a fine job because he's not dead. I think even if he shot one guy, if the rest would have not ran, they would have killed him.

yellowreef
04-07-2009, 02:53 AM
I also heard Air & Marine with CBP can fire warning shots.


At sea. But then again, they don't make stop sticks for boats :D

ExSDSO
04-07-2009, 11:15 AM
Youd think drawing your weapon and pointing it at someone + some verbal commands with some F BOMBs mixed in would make someone think twice.

Five-0fromSoCal
04-07-2009, 01:54 PM
if its justified, youve passed the 'warning stage'.


Ya, I agree. However, I guess there's been times when Deps couldn't get rounds off due to other circs (too populated, partner in line of fire, etc. ) and warning shot is all they could do in their opinion. Not gonna go too deep in the policy, but it's an option.

Five-0fromSoCal
04-07-2009, 01:57 PM
Youd think drawing your weapon and pointing it at someone + some verbal commands with some F BOMBs mixed in would make someone think twice.

You'd think. However, most areas we work the bg's are used to having weapons pointed at them. Sometimes, they need a little more convincing.