Oalkand area LE speaks out against "Thug Rally's"

[VChopefull]

I commend the Sgt for saying the things he said. I'm glad someone in LE spoke out against these disrespectful rally's in Oakland. He was able to convey his message in a professional tasteful manner. This guy was a Monster and a menace to society and to celebrate that is ridiculous.


ALAMEDA COUNTY (KRON) – Many law enforcement officials are openly expressing dismay that the public held a rally for gunman Lovelle Mixon in Oakland.

KRON 4’s Mark Jones spoke to Alameda County Sergeant J.D. Nelson who is outraged, “I just don’t understand how people in the community can support an individual, a criminal, who was a carjacker, who raped a 12-year-old and murdered four people. How people can rally behind him, I think it’s terrible, just terrible. Our hearts go out to the Oakland police department and to have people rally for that person who is responsible for their murder is disgusting.”

On Saturday Mixon opened fire on two officers during what appeared to be a routine traffic stop, leading to a gun fight in which two more officers died before police killed him.

The officers killed were 43-year-old Sergeant Ervin Romans, 35-year-old Sergeant Daniel Sakai, 40-year-old Sergeant Mark Dunakin and 41-year-old Officer John Hege.

Nelson also told Mark that when Mixon is mentioned, he only thinks of the victims, “The only thing that I will ever think about him for is the many numerous families and lives that he ruined. That’s what I’ll be thinking of when I think of him. What about the 12-year-old girl, how is she supposed to overcome all this? And the other victims he may have raped. And the carjacking victim in San Francisco, he has affected all those people.”

On Friday, just a day before the shooting, Oakland PD learned that DNA evidence had tentatively linked Mixon to the February rape of a 12-year-old girl.

The event, organized by the International People’s Democratic Uhuru Movement, started at 6 p.m. Wednesday at the Uhuru House on 7911 MacArthur Boulevard.

According to the organization’s website, the march was designed to “Uphold the Resistance of the African Community as Represented by Brother Lovelle Mixon.”

(Copyright 2009, KRON 4, All rights reserved.)

[Call_me_Tom]

Wow... I'm at a loss for words.

[Hi-Def]

There is simply no excuse for this type of behavior & i'm sorry to say that I'm not surprised by it. I grew up in the Bay Area and spent a lot of time on Oakland. And there has always been a "us vs. them" mentality out there. And when something like this happens you would think the decency in people would shine through and for the most it has. But of course there are always these people who take it to the next level celebrate it, they think of it as payback for the years when the citizens (and yes some innocent) were the ones being grieved. There is just no sense of logic when groups of idiots meet. But than again what did you expect.

[1tyme]

For those who missed the service:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/oakland-police-shooting/ci_12013670

[Ranger Hoot]

What a disgusting display of human behavior by so many, in the face of such gallant actions by so few. The four men who have passed, like those before them, were cut from a different cloth than those who remain.

The attempts from the trifle contingent, whose meek voices seek to incite, will be nothing more than a reminder of why we few and brave chose public service. The immoral comments made by these people (let us call them sheep), only affirms my resolve.....and should do the same for you.

We must remember that these sheep rally behind one another because they are weak when alone. Just like Mixon was when he was stopped by two Centurions that day. And when Mixon heard the great force coming for him while he lay cowering in a closet, I hope he spoke with God. Why? Because I know what God said to him.

We are strong, and the indelible actions then and now only feed our strength. After the tears are dry and the mourning is over, it will be time to once again 'shake the bush, and do the Lord's work.'

[Sig4U]

And when Mixon heard the great force coming for him while he lay cowering in a closet, I hope he spoke with God. Why? Because I know what God said to him.

We are strong, and the indelible actions then and now only feed our strength. After the tears are dry and the mourning is over, it will be time to once again 'shake the bush, and do the Lord's work.'

My version is a little different. ;)

[Ranger Hoot]

Although I didn't mention what I feel God would say, I am sure you could ask ten people and get 15 different answers.

[pappabacon]

At some point shouldn't the police be allowed to just pull out of that area? If the group that held this rally is so convinced that the police are out to get them, then they should be able to handle all of the other police traffic that comes in. I think it is a sad day we live in when the lack of respect for the police has reached levels like this. I am so amazed at the professionalism that officers that will still work in this area will show, despite the individuals who wish them harm.

[andy5746]

We must remember that not all people out there share the thoughts of the thug-lovers. The silent majority do not support them, but they are sheep themselves, silent for fear of the opressors. That is why we are here. That is why we must not forsake the sheep. We are better than that.

Stay stong, stay the course.

[MarioS]

It's really unfortunate that most people don't take it as such a big deal anymore when a criminal murders a police officer. Many in this country are losing their sense of old-fashioned morals and standards, and it's atrocious.

[IE Copper]

I checked out these idiot's website. The stupidity written there is overwhelming. I didn't know that Oakland had a large community of Africans. On that site they talk about all the Africans that live there....

The term African American bugs the hell out of me. If you were born here you are American. I'm a white guy with Irish decent, but I don't call myself Irish American. These idiots go farther and call themselves Africans. That is traitorous.

Anyway, they made a statement about how this Piece of s**t was a victim. They reasoned that Oakland PD's discrimination and oppression of the "African" man led to his behaviour....That he should have been rehabilitated and given a job, instead of locked up. These people are morons and I wish our forefathers would have added a disclaimer to the Constitution to not allow people like them to speak (or reproduce for that matter).

[Sig4U]

I checked out these idiot's website. The stupidity written there is overwhelming. I didn't know that Oakland had a large community of Africans. On that site they talk about all the Africans that live there....

The term African American bugs the hell out of me. If you were born here you are American. I'm a white guy with Irish decent, but I don't call myself Irish American. These idiots go farther and call themselves Africans. That is traitorous.

Anyway, they made a statement about how this Piece of s**t was a victim. They reasoned that Oakland PD's discrimination and oppression of the "African" man led to his behaviour....That he should have been rehabilitated and given a job, instead of locked up. These people are morons and I wish our forefathers would have added a disclaimer to the Constitution to not allow people like them to speak (or reproduce for that matter).

+1.

[james1975]

I was watching that protest at work with some of my fellow officer, it made us all so sick and to see that maggot with dreadlocks on fox news praysing Dixon as some kind of hero that was on his way home from church right before he shot and killed these officers!!! Maybe if that ******bag with the dreads would feel a little diffferent if that was his daughter that got raped!! Its to bad Dixon wasent in prince georges county maryland, he would have met with an accident in his jail cell just like the last brutal cop killer!!!!!

[Hi-Def]

I checked out these idiot's website. The stupidity written there is overwhelming. I didn't know that Oakland had a large community of Africans. On that site they talk about all the Africans that live there....

The term African American bugs the hell out of me. If you were born here you are American. I'm a white guy with Irish decent, but I don't call myself Irish American. These idiots go farther and call themselves Africans. That is traitorous.

Anyway, they made a statement about how this Piece of s**t was a victim. They reasoned that Oakland PD's discrimination and oppression of the "African" man led to his behaviour....That he should have been rehabilitated and given a job, instead of locked up. These people are morons and I wish our forefathers would have added a disclaimer to the Constitution to not allow people like them to speak (or reproduce for that matter).

Ethnocentrism really isn't a big help in this situation.

[IE Copper]

Ethnocentrism really isn't a big help in this situation.

You may want to look up the definition of ethnocentrism. I didn't express the superiority of my culture or my race, or even state what my culture or race is....I expressed the idiocy of the statements made by a group of idiots. As a civilian, you have never heard the "you stopped me cause I'm black!" line. I hear it daily, and all it does is make me disgusted with the idiocy of the person.

[plainclothes]

I'm having a hard enough time this whole deal already, I suppose it is a really good thing I'm no longer in uniform, becase everyone would be going to jail and officer discretion would probably be out the window for a long while. That's not a good thing I know, it is just the way it is.

For the fools demonstrating/celebrating, all I can say is Bay Area Values, what more can one expect! CA is a great place to live but we have our share of whacko's.

[Hi-Def]

You may want to look up the definition of ethnocentrism. I didn't express the superiority of my culture or my race, or even state what my culture or race is....I expressed the idiocy of the statements made by a group of idiots. As a civilian, you have never heard the "you stopped me cause I'm black!" line. I hear it daily, and all it does is make me disgusted with the idiocy of the person.

Umm I'm not sure of what your definition of ethnocentrism is but my textbooks clearly state it as "the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture." Nothing about superiority in there. And you did state you were of Irish decent.

Anyway I 100% agree with what you were trying to say. If you were born in America then guess what? Your American, whether you like it not not (And we all know we are the lucky ones to live here). I guarantee you if they all got free 1 way flights to their country of choosing in Africa, none of the natives would even bat a eye at them as they walked by. Lol, here in San Diego I love it when I'm talking to an "Mexican American" and they're all like "I'm Mexican" & I ask if they were in Mexico would the Mexicans/Mexican gov't consider you Mexican? Then they get it and have a dumb look on their faces. Good times.

[IE Copper]

Umm I'm not sure of what your definition of ethnocentrism is but my textbooks clearly state it as "the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture." Nothing about superiority in there. And you did state you were of Irish decent.

You got your definition from a text book? Your definition isn't even a definition. It is the begining of an explanation of the concept of ethnocentrism, copied and pasted directly from wikipedia. On the same page that you took your explanation from, it states:

"Ethnocentrism often entails the belief that one's own race or ethnic group is the most important and that some or all aspects of its culture are superior to those of other groups"

My definition came from the The American Heritage Dictionary. A quick google search revealed that my definition is in every dictionary, including dictionary.com

Also, I stated that I was of Irish decent in the same post that said I hadn't mentioned it earlier.

So, as to your original comment about me being ethnocentric, you may want to try to start with smaller words, and work your way up to the big ones...

[IronBruin]

You got your definition from a text book? Your definition isn't even a definition. It is the begining of an explanation of the concept of ethnocentrism, copied and pasted directly from wikipedia. On the same page that you took your explanation from, it states:

"Ethnocentrism often entails the belief that one's own race or ethnic group is the most important and that some or all aspects of its culture are superior to those of other groups"

My definition came from the The American Heritage Dictionary. A quick google search revealed that my definition is in every dictionary, including dictionary.com

Also, I stated that I was of Irish decent in the same post that said I hadn't mentioned it earlier.

So, as to your original comment about me being ethnocentric, you may want to try to start with smaller words, and work your way up to the big ones...
:eek:LMAO

[Hi-Def]

Lol. Two things I would never do: argue on the internet or argue with a fool. Because from a distance people cant tell who is who. I didn't look up the definition I recited it from memory from a cultural diversity class I took years ago. A word in which you subsequently looked up in a dictionary where you erroneously misconstrued the meaning of the word and how it was used, ergo making you imply that I was insulting you. Then you mount this gratuitous & aggressive defense which makes me wonder if you were trying to convince me or yourself. Anyhoo as you can see I have a good understanding of the American language, I've moved on from the big words to the words most people never use in conversation. Congé

[IE Copper]

Lol. Two things I would never do: argue on the internet or argue with a fool. Because from a distance people cant tell who is who. I didn't look up the definition I recited it from memory from a cultural diversity class I took years ago. A word in which you subsequently looked up in a dictionary where you erroneously misconstrued the meaning of the word and how it was used, ergo making you imply that I was insulting you. Then you mount this gratuitous & aggressive defense which makes me wonder if you were trying to convince me or yourself. Anyhoo as you can see I have a good understanding of the American language, I've moved on from the big words to the words most people never use in conversation. Congé

"Two things I would never do: argue on the internet or argue with a fool."

The irony of this statement is hilarious

"I didn't look up the definition I recited it from memory from a cultural diversity class I took years ago."

Sure you did. What a coincidence that wikipedia says the same thing word for word.

"A word in which you subsequently looked up in a dictionary where you erroneously misconstrued the meaning of the word and how it was used, ergo making you imply that I was insulting you"

I think that I clearly showed that my understanding of the word was correct in my last post. AGAIN, I suggest that you check a dictionary for the definition of the word. Copying and pasting an explanation of the concept of the word from Wikipedia is fine. Claiming that you remember the exact explanation of the concept from some class is fine. The problem is that your recollection of the concept just happens to be exactly, word for word, the same explanation as Wikipedia.


"Anyhoo as you can see I have a good understanding of the American language, I've moved on from the big words to the words most people never use in conversation"

If your understanding of the American language is so good, why is your ability to write it so bad? I never harp on people for their use of grammar here. It is not necessary to worry about such things. I would advise, however, to try to follow basic grammar rules when trying to convince people that you have a good understanding of the American language.

Most of us are cops here. We are knee deep in BS every day. Your BS is no different. Please don't insult us by trying to argue (after saying that you wont argue on the Internet) a point that is obviously BS.

[pulicords]

You got your definition from a text book? Your definition isn't even a definition. It is the begining of an explanation of the concept of ethnocentrism, copied and pasted directly from wikipedia. On the same page that you took your explanation from, it states:.......

Nothing makes me smile more than a well prepared and delivered interrogation!!!! Point well made. If a "cop out" isn't soon to follow, you can certainly expect a plea rather than a trial. :D

[Ranger Hoot]

just passing through....

Hey pullicords, I saw you on sig forums. I have been perusing the forums and researching a 226 and 220. I recently picked up a 226 elite.

[pulicords]

Hey pullicords, I saw you on sig forums. I have been perusing the forums and researching a 226 and 220. I recently picked up a 226 elite.

Me???? Must be a different Pulicords. :rolleyes: Good luck with your P226 Elite! Glad to see that LASD finally approved SIGs as an option. The Elite series seems like a great duty gun and I really like the SRT feature. My only concern with them would be whether or not the "beavertail" grip would interfere with commonly issued or purchased duty holsters. If it works with your's great. If not, you might want to order a custom one from Nelson Leather.
http://nelsonleather.com/index.php?cPath=27_40_56_59

Edited to add: Sorry, I forgot that you guys are limited to the issue type holsters only! Hope you can order one for your new SIG.

[Outshined]

It's really unfortunate that most people don't take it as such a big deal anymore when a criminal murders a police officer. Many in this country are losing their sense of old-fashioned morals and standards, and it's atrocious.

You can hear from some of them here... http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114883

[LAC_LE]

You can hear from some of them here... http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114883

FYI: I went through this thread, and it mainly deals with people's faith in God, or lack thereof, and, unless I missed it, doesn't discuss society's attitude toward LE.

(not that there's anything wrong with this... just trying to save everybody a few clicks by pointing out that that thread and this thread have different topics...)

[Outshined]

FYI: I went through this thread, and it mainly deals with people's faith in God, or lack thereof, and, unless I missed it, doesn't discuss society's attitude toward LE.

(not that there's anything wrong with this... just trying to save everybody a few clicks by pointing out that that thread and this thread have different topics...)

Good point, except, it was the morals and values thingy I was pointing out:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[LAC_LE]

Good point, except, it was the morals and values thingy I was pointing out:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Actually, wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. Just pointing out that your thread dealt with the second part of MarioS' post (morals in general) as opposed to the first part (public attitude toward LE safety). That's all. :D

[Ranger Hoot]

Me???? Must be a different Pulicords. :rolleyes: Good luck with your P226 Elite! Glad to see that LASD finally approved SIGs as an option. The Elite series seems like a great duty gun and I really like the SRT feature. My only concern with them would be whether or not the "beavertail" grip would interfere with commonly issued or purchased duty holsters. If it works with your's great. If not, you might want to order a custom one from Nelson Leather.
http://nelsonleather.com/index.php?cPath=27_40_56_59

Edited to add: Sorry, I forgot that you guys are limited to the issue type holsters only! Hope you can order one for your new SIG.

I apologize, it must have been a different forum user name I saw, but for some reason I thought it was you...Oh well.

The Safariland 6280 works with the elite. Apparently people are just trimming the little 'tab' on the rotating hood and it locks in fine.

Like you said, the SRT rocks. What a smooth and quick trigger.

[DOAcop38]

According to the organization’s website, the march was designed to “Uphold the Resistance of the African Community as Represented by Brother Lovelle Mixon.”

(Copyright 2009, KRON 4, All rights reserved.)



WTF!!!!!????? I remember speaking , many yrs ago to "5th street Dick" at his now defunct coffee house in the leimert park section of L.A.'s Crenshaw district.Ol' dick ( may he rest in peace) was usually a peaceful man, but on this night he was on a serious tirade about how F'd up the LAPD were for trying to shutdown a gathering at a local park that turned out to be a gangster and thug free for all. I was a young ,but "true blue" copper then and I tried to reason with him on the "error" of his view, to no available( he angrily responded to me that he would "personally kill" any white ,pig mutha'f'er who dared try and tell him what to do, BEFORE he'd ever talk bad about any "street soldier"- ghetto misnomer for violent ,dope addled gangbangers,jailbirds and crackheads).

what alot of people DON'T realize is that Blk folks really DON'T give a damn about a thug or criminals, and often- do to economic issues, are stuck in the very communities where these animals tend to prey on them more than other folks.But whats sadder is that many times only the FOOLS and THUGS get press and media coverage( like "Minister Sinister" Tony Muhammad and Najee Ali here in So.Calif), and that often leads to the misconception that many of the Blk community are against L.E. Simply not the truth.

"Upholding the resistance of the african american community ?" Mixon can rot in HELL,'cause I guarantee you that if "ol' freedom fighter Mixon" had murdered a family member of the "uhuru " organization, they'd be more than READY AND WILLING to hang his butt from the nearest lightpole.

BTW- Uhuru is a "swahili" word- swahili is an ancient language of "traders" on the east coast of africa; those "traders" were primarily SLAVE TRADERS, who used the language to control and suppress the local tribes and communities and take their own languages and freedoms away ,UNTIL White British forces moved in and STOPPED the slave trade ( hmmmm....?) but of course "truth and common sense" mean nothing to ignorant people who would consider Mixon a "hero"...... How IRONIC that the "word " Uhuru,meaning "freedom" , would come from the language of slave traders and be used by so called Blk community activists........:rolleyes::eek:

[DOAcop38]

I checked out these idiot's website. The stupidity written there is overwhelming. I didn't know that Oakland had a large community of Africans. On that site they talk about all the Africans that live there....

The term African American bugs the hell out of me. If you were born here you are American. I'm a white guy with Irish decent, but I don't call myself Irish American. These idiots go farther and call themselves Africans. That is traitorous.

Anyway, they made a statement about how this Piece of s**t was a victim. They reasoned that Oakland PD's discrimination and oppression of the "African" man led to his behaviour....That he should have been rehabilitated and given a job, instead of locked up. These people are morons and I wish our forefathers would have added a disclaimer to the Constitution to not allow people like them to speak (or reproduce for that matter).

I guess if the census and personnel need to describe me, I'd be an "African American"- HOWEVER that would deny the fact that I have Scots-Irish and Native american relatives and blood. Seeing as I don't know diddly about "africa" other than its FAR,its a continent, its violent ,and its got alot of ancient cultures living there, and NO friggin' country ever sent a BOAT or $$$ to any of my past relatives to help them out, I don't know why so many dumbassed people try to align themselves with a place that has NOTHING to do with them other than a mixed bag of genetic profiles.

That the "system" failed Mixon is obvious( there should have been something in place to either change him or lock him up forever for the animal he had become) but for individuals in the Oakland /Bay area to DENY that he had become an urban terrorist, and deserving of a bullet to the back of the skull in the same manner as Osama bin Laden is just plain PITIFUL.....:(

[DOAcop38]

ooopppssss ! deleted message

[ten08]

Please remember that groups like Uhuru want you to express your indignation publicly so that they can later use those against you, making themselves the victims. . Move in Philly were expert at this. LA has its groups too. Professionals will deny them that opportunity

[DOAcop38]

Please remember that groups like Uhuru want you to express your indignation publicly so that they can later use those against you, making themselves the victims. . Move in Philly were expert at this. LA has its groups too. Professionals will deny them that opportunity

you are right! They posted a "half azzzed" explanation as to WHY ( who cares why) they took the stance that Mixon was some sort of urban freedom fighter( yeah, parolee scumbag, thug ,rapist,murderer) by babbling about a bunch of alledged police injustices that apparently they see as "justification" for brutal ,out and out murder of public servants. Well,as one comedian points out,"you can't fix stupid".......

[Socal-Cop]

At least only around 60 idiots participated in the rally .. They are definately not the voice of Oakland residents