Close call last night.

[D.o.D cop]

One of my partner's, we'll call him partner A, makes a traffic stop. Inside the vehicle are known narcotic offenders. Our K-9 officer responds to the scene and walks the dog, resulting in a positive alert. Start to pull the guys out of the car, have them put their hands on the car. While the K-9 is walking one of the occupants, suspect A, continued to try and reach into his pocket. We go to pull him out of the car and suspect A continues to attempt to reach into pocket when he thinks we aren't watching him. Finally K-9 advises us to detain everyone in handcuffs. As I got my suspect handcuffed, K-9 is trying to handcuff suspect A. K-9 finally gets suspect A's right arm cuffed, but subject is refusing to put his left arm behind his back. I can see the suspect going into the fight or flight response mode.

I look over after hearing K-9 giving Suspect A several commands tobthe suspect to place his hand behind his back and I join in and grab a hold of the suspects left arm and place it behind his back until he is cuffed. K-9 then begins to search his person and finds several bags of marijuana in his right pocket. Suspect A is already a convicted felon. While K-9 is searching the suspect continues to try and reach into his left pocket, at which time my K-9 pats down his left pocket and discovers a loaded .380. :eek:

That is the first time I have dealt with a situation like that. I'm just thankful no one got hurt last night. Any thoughts or advice on the subject?

[Monty Ealerman]

From your description it seems like there may have been some mistakes made.

Maybe an Officer-safety procedural review is in order.

I'm glad you guys all went home safe.

[RoadKingTrooper]

From your description it seems like there may have been some mistakes made.

Maybe an Officer-safety procedural review is in order.

I'm glad you guys all went home safe.

Only mistake he made was posting this where a civilian such as yourself could post an ignorant response. LOL

[djblank87]

Only mistake he made was posting this where a civilian such as yourself could post an ignorant response. LOL

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DOD Cop, good to hear you're safe.

[D.o.D cop]

Only mistake he made was posting this where a civilian such as yourself could post an ignorant response. LOL

He may be civilian, he may not be. Both my shift, partner A and K-9 spoke about this and we ALL agreed we have been getting lax about officer safety. I know I have. I'm glad it ended the way it did, so now I have time to spend with my family and reflect upon it and learn. Also, suspect is unharmed during this incident. Double pluses in my book.

Again, any advice or opinions, preferably from an experienced officer, is welcome. :)

[ShantyIrish]

If perps are still in car when k9 gets the hit, as it reads, they come out one at a time, get searched and cuffed, one at a time, using the contact/cover concept and everyone goes home safely..if one of 'em refuses to play nice, he gets introduced to the ground...everyone of us gets rusty or complacent every now and then, it happens. You're doing the right thing about it, talking about it with everyone involved, and making yourselves promises to sharpen the tactics for the future, you're working at it the way all the books say you should....a critique session is a very positive response to situations like these.

all in all, nice grab....

[marcusindc]

Again, any advice or opinions, preferably from an experienced officer, is welcome. :)

Subject puts his hands where I cannot see them once = warned

Done a second time = handcuffs

Remember that placing someone into handcuffs does not mean they are under arrest or that you have to mirandize them and so on. A lot of folks get that skrewed up and put themselves into unsafe situations because they are afraid more so of how the case may end up instead of who could get hurt.

Happy to hear you guys are ok though and good bust. I'm sure this got your heart pumping quicker. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and stay on your toes.

[uanick]

I have a friend who is a K-9 and no matter what, always has all individuals get out of the car. usually he will have the other officers just place them in the back of their cars while he does the search. Seems to be a pretty good officer safety way of doing things too.

[Blkside]

Glad it all turned out okay. Im a civvie but the one thing I saw my buddy (9years LE) do that I never saw on cops or any "reality TV" is that if it was an 18 year old crack head or 112 year old grandmother of 90 is hands on head going in and out of cuffs and when we stopped people even for traffic they came out of the car. I thought it was smart and am sure its policy. On cops they always have the guy lean on the hood and wonder why they end up in a foot chase. Hope you find your groove...

[CityCopDC]

One of my partner's, we'll call him partner A, makes a traffic stop. Inside the vehicle are known narcotic offenders. Our K-9 officer responds to the scene and walks the dog, resulting in a positive alert. Start to pull the guys out of the car,

Right then and there everybody and I mean everybody goes in cuffs. Imo, it is easier to control the suspects one at a time as they get out of the vehicle. Dont have them all get out. One at a time so multiple officers can cover everyone still in the car and those that are exiting....

[CityCopDC]

Subject puts his hands where I cannot see them once = warned

Done a second time = handcuffs You ONLY get one time with me. And if im feeling jittery (spidey sense) you go in cuffs immediately.

Remember that placing someone into handcuffs does not mean they are under arrest or that you have to mirandize them and so on. A lot of folks get that skrewed up and put themselves into unsafe situations because they are afraid more so of how the case may end up instead of who could get hurt. BINGO! I was just getting ready to say that. Normally if me and someone have some jokers stopped (serving warrants) I usually say "you are not under arrest but for your safety and mine I am going to place you in cuffs.) That request is non-negotiable. Again reinforces hands, hands, hands. Glad you made it out DoD, considering what just happened in Oakland.

[wirefire2]

One of my partner's, we'll call him partner A, makes a traffic stop. Inside the vehicle are known narcotic offenders. Our K-9 officer responds to the scene and walks the dog, resulting in a positive alert. Start to pull the guys out of the car, have them put their hands on the car. While the K-9 is walking one of the occupants, suspect A, continued to try and reach into his pocket. We go to pull him out of the car and suspect A continues to attempt to reach into pocket when he thinks we aren't watching him. Finally K-9 advises us to detain everyone in handcuffs. As I got my suspect handcuffed, K-9 is trying to handcuff suspect A. K-9 finally gets suspect A's right arm cuffed, but subject is refusing to put his left arm behind his back. I can see the suspect going into the fight or flight response mode.

I look over after hearing K-9 giving Suspect A several commands tobthe suspect to place his hand behind his back and I join in and grab a hold of the suspects left arm and place it behind his back until he is cuffed. K-9 then begins to search his person and finds several bags of marijuana in his right pocket. Suspect A is already a convicted felon. While K-9 is searching the suspect continues to try and reach into his left pocket, at which time my K-9 pats down his left pocket and discovers a loaded .380. :eek:

That is the first time I have dealt with a situation like that. I'm just thankful no one got hurt last night. Any thoughts or advice on the subject?

Good opportunity for a review of situations like that and some training scenarios.

[texaschickeee]

He may be civilian, he may not be. Both my shift, partner A and K-9 spoke about this and we ALL agreed we have been getting lax about officer safety. I know I have. I'm glad it ended the way it did, so now I have time to spend with my family and reflect upon it and learn. Also, suspect is unharmed during this incident. Double pluses in my book.

Again, any advice or opinions, preferably from an experienced officer, is welcome. :)

that is one very scary statement. never be lax, the one time you- you just may not be alove to feel lucky after wards/

[ProtectandServe]

Glad to hear you're alright. You always have to do everything you can to ensure that you go home at night.

[Jenners]

Oh scary. Glad you got his hand up and went home.