Holding Cops to standards

[scratched13]

On another thread, I am being bashed for QUESTIONING a cops failure to follow a simple traffic law that he himself is actively breaking. Leave that debate there. Here is another one:

Is it right for police officers to hold others to HIGHER standards than we hold to ourselves??????

[Dinosaur32]

No.....but officers should not be expected to treat each other with any less curtesy than a doctor would treat another doctor, or a college would treat the child of a member of the faculty, or an airline would treat crew from another airline.

[ten08]

If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?
If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?
If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job?

[creolecop]

In Louisiana we have inspection stickers that go on the lower driverside of the windshield. Called MVI (motor vehicle inspection) stickers. You have to get it once a year. Their like $10 to get your vehicle inspected, and takes about 15-20min. I am bad about keeping mine updated. It's expired right now by 2mo (just noticed today). However, I do write for this alot.

EXPLANATION.....................

I love to hunt narcotics on the street. MVI is a good and frequent violation here with dopers. Now I don't write for it unless they are absolutely asking for it with a HUUUUUGE attitude or if I find dope. If I find dope, which is the real reason I stopped them (just used the MVI as a pretext to stop them) I have to include the original violation as a charge to clarify my reason for the stop. We don't have to but it's much better in court, that you cited or charged for the original "PC" violation or charge.

I don't drive around looking for expired MVI's just to write a ticket for it. If it's expired and I stop you I'm looking for dope. If I get no where on the narcotics investigation I have started against said violator, then I send them on their way with a warning about the MVI. Mine is expired true, but if I had dope in my car I would expect to be cited also.

[DaisyCutter]

Space for rent .........

I feel somewhat ashamed to be realizing only now that the space you're referring to is located between your ears.

[PhilipCal]

Why do I get the feeling that no answer you recieve will satisfy you? Why should I care whether you're satisfied with my reply or not? I am not accountable to you. I don't care.

[Brendon]

1. If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?
2. If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?
3. If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job?

1. You may very well lose your job. My father is a Underground Supervisor for a district for Con-Edison, he would lose his job.

2. If my father was charged and sentenced, he would lose his job.

3. N/A.

[NYCTNT]

Your an active cop?

I strongly doubt that. Are you some sort of security guard or possibly a volunteer officer?

[ISPY4U2]

Your an active cop?

I strongly doubt that. Are you some sort of security guard or possibly a volunteer officer?

Doesn't O.com do something to confirm the status of those declaring themselves sworn LEOs?

[RoadKingTrooper]

Why do I get the feeling that no answer you recieve will satisfy you? Why should I care whether you're satisfied with my reply or not? I am not accountable to you. I don't care.

LOL, when I say "I don't care" the whiners and "wannabees" get incensed.

Good point Phil!

No point Brendon LOL

[scratched13]

If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?
If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?
If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job?

That is fine. In THOSE cases, cops are held to a higher standard. BUT ..... there ARE other jobs that would have repercussions outside of the justice system:

Military and Domestic Violence?
Commercial Drivers License and certain traffic violations?
Almost any job needing a security clearance?

[scratched13]

In Louisiana we have inspection stickers that go on the lower driverside of the windshield. Called MVI (motor vehicle inspection) stickers. You have to get it once a year. Their like $10 to get your vehicle inspected, and takes about 15-20min. I am bad about keeping mine updated. It's expired right now by 2mo (just noticed today). However, I do write for this alot.

EXPLANATION.....................

I love to hunt narcotics on the street. MVI is a good and frequent violation here with dopers. Now I don't write for it unless they are absolutely asking for it with a HUUUUUGE attitude or if I find dope. If I find dope, which is the real reason I stopped them (just used the MVI as a pretext to stop them) I have to include the original violation as a charge to clarify my reason for the stop. We don't have to but it's much better in court, that you cited or charged for the original "PC" violation or charge.

I don't drive around looking for expired MVI's just to write a ticket for it. If it's expired and I stop you I'm looking for dope. If I get no where on the narcotics investigation I have started against said violator, then I send them on their way with a warning about the MVI. Mine is expired true, but if I had dope in my car I would expect to be cited also.

Fair enough. Doesn't sound like you typically enforce this, therefore you may be out of the hypocracy loop.

[scratched13]

I feel somewhat ashamed to be realizing only now that the space you're referring to is located between your ears.

Those without a position or an argument in a debate tend to just resort to personal attacks. Good job, Deputy!

[TXCountySheriff]

Well here is a question that really doesn't have a right answer. I heard that some department somewhere asks this and will make you explain your answer JUST to see how you can talk: If you mother was speeding more than 15 over, would you stop her and cite her? It's a question on moral status; either answer will work just as long as you can make it right. Now, stopping another cop / brother / sister? Yeah I think if you catch them again for the same thing write'em up.

[KB8315]

I think if I stopped the off-duty a second time for the same reason, I would either let them go, or notify their supervisor. Depending on their attitude.

[scratched13]

Yeah, this type of thread tends to lead to professional courtesy issues. It is really more about - should officers have a HIGHER, SAME or LOWER standard than those that they ENFORCE on the street????

[ISPY4U2]

You keep saying, "They" when referring to LEOs. Shouldn't you be saying, "We?"

[RoadKingTrooper]

You keep saying, "They" when referring to LEOs. Shouldn't you be saying, "We?"

Hmmmmmm....................

[DaisyCutter]

You keep saying, "They" when referring to LEOs. Shouldn't you be saying, "We?"


That would be a rookie mistake from what appears to be a veteran troll.

[Irishluck31]

I am being bashed for QUESTIONING a cops failure to follow a simple traffic law that he himself is actively breaking.

So what your saying is the officer is actively breaking a law that he is actively breaking?

OR

He is failing to follow a simple trafic law is is simply breaking, but actively breaking?

Thats a great question.

Better question,,,Does anyone know if TASER Inc is going to start recomending that the real police start wearing the X26 left side to be drawn with the left hand rather than left side cross draw? I heard rumors of this recently and would like to prepare for the change early as my real police will not take to kindly to the change. Me included..

[RoadKingTrooper]

So what your saying is the officer is actively breaking a law that he is actively breaking?

OR

He is failing to follow a simple trafic law is is simply breaking, but actively breaking?

Thats a great question.

Better question,,,Does anyone know if TASER Inc is going to start recomending that the real police start wearing the X26 left side to be drawn with the left hand rather than left side cross draw? I heard rumors of this recently and would like to prepare for the change early as my real police will not take to kindly to the change. Me included..

LOL, note to self! stop playing with Taser prior to posting on O.Com. It can lead to a multiple personality disorder as well as making your questions and post appear as though your brain has been fried.

[Chadwick]

On another thread, I am being bashed for QUESTIONING a cops failure to follow a simple traffic law that he himself is actively breaking. Leave that debate there. Here is another one:

Is it right for police officers to hold others to HIGHER standards than we hold to ourselves??????

Why do you keep continuing to troll these boards? I've seen dozens of good replies that should of satisfied your question long ago, and you seem like you keep wanting to try to push peoples buttons on these forums. That's why you are no longer going to get serious answers because you're quickly being realized who you truly are. Not a cop, but one annoying troll.

If you really don't get it yet then I will help you summarize what everyone is saying.
1. Yes they should but yes there some unique cases were they will cite you for something if you're being uncooperative that they might not of cited you if you were kind and respectful. It's a cops every right to. They are taking the same risk as you by not following the rules they just cited you for. They realize that but they know they if they get in trouble for it and aren't a jerk about it if they get pulled over, they will more than likely not get in trouble for a minor citation.
2. Being non-leo, I've been given a ticket before that I would say almost everyone does including LEO.(Improper lane change 5 years ago for turning into the turn lane a foot to soon). Yes I was not happy because of the ticket because I see 90% of people do it daily, but its the cops right for him to write and if he wants to risk it to while he is off duty, he has the same chance of getting in trouble for it as I am.
3. Be more specific of what you want to hear if your not satisfied of the answers you are getting.

[CityCopDC]

Why do you keep continuing to troll these boards? I've seen dozens of good replies that should of satisfied your question long ago, and you seem like you keep wanting to try to push peoples buttons on these forums. That's why you are no longer going to get serious answers because you're quickly being realized who you truly are. Not a cop, but one annoying troll.


Careful. He may tell you that you are trying to play the race card, the uncle to Louis Farrakhan, a Black panther member, a terrorist or an affirmitive action hire. :eek:

[JN8219]

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[scratched13]

You keep saying, "They" when referring to LEOs. Shouldn't you be saying, "We?"

I don't play this "do as I say not as I do" game. So I am saying "they" to denote officers who are actively doing this.

[scratched13]

Why do you keep continuing to troll these boards? I've seen dozens of good replies that should of satisfied your question long ago, and you seem like you keep wanting to try to push peoples buttons on these forums. That's why you are no longer going to get serious answers because you're quickly being realized who you truly are. Not a cop, but one annoying troll.

If you really don't get it yet then I will help you summarize what everyone is saying.
1. Yes they should but yes there some unique cases were they will cite you for something if you're being uncooperative that they might not of cited you if you were kind and respectful. It's a cops every right to. They are taking the same risk as you by not following the rules they just cited you for. They realize that but they know they if they get in trouble for it and aren't a jerk about it if they get pulled over, they will more than likely not get in trouble for a minor citation.
2. Being non-leo, I've been given a ticket before that I would say almost everyone does including LEO.(Improper lane change 5 years ago for turning into the turn lane a foot to soon). Yes I was not happy because of the ticket because I see 90% of people do it daily, but its the cops right for him to write and if he wants to risk it to while he is off duty, he has the same chance of getting in trouble for it as I am.
3. Be more specific of what you want to hear if your not satisfied of the answers you are getting.

Here is the issue. This is an infraction that is not a "mistake" or an "oversight." Heck, it appears that the officer blew it off after being called on it by the guy. Again, if he is going to cite someone for "contempt of cop," ........ does he really think that if called on it (like the guy with camera did), he is going to look good? For that matter, does ANYONE here think that this cop and his disregard for THIS little itty bitty traffic law make us look GOOD or BAD in the public's eye?

[scratched13]

Careful. He may tell you that you are trying to play the race card, the uncle to Louis Farrakhan, a Black panther member, a terrorist or an affirmitive action hire. :eek:

Hey, you can try to play games here, but you have been outted as a race baiter by plenty in here.;)

(reply with silly pic or "implication" that I am a racist)

[scratched13]

So, for all of you out there slamming me, what would you think of an offier who did cite the cop for not displaying a tag on the front? Would THAT cop be wrong?

[katseiye]

Who really cares ? It's a traffic infraction and cops who violate take the same chances as everyone else when it comes to enforcement.

You'll get a number of opinions that lead you in different directions, even from leo's. And it's still just an opinion.

Give it up.

[exComptonCop]

So, for all of you out there slamming me, what would you think of an offier who did cite the cop for not displaying a tag on the front? Would THAT cop be wrong?

I would think the officer was exercising his right not to extend PC to the off duty officer. This subject has been severely beaten to death...there will NEVER be a "right" or "wrong" answer.


I concur with ISPY's suspicion

[ISPY4U2]

I don't play this "do as I say not as I do" game. So I am saying "they" to denote officers who are actively doing this.

Actually, you flip-flop back and forth between "we" and "us," suggesting some confusion in your true identification with this group of professionals. Let me demonstrate:

Is it right for police officers to hold others to HIGHER standards than we hold to ourselves??????

Here you are clearly identifying yourself WITH police officers, but then we see:

Yeah, this type of thread tends to lead to professional courtesy issues. It is really more about - should officers have a HIGHER, SAME or LOWER standard than those that they ENFORCE on the street????

Separating yourself from "officers," not officers who have a double standard, but officers in-general.

Citing citizens for laws YOU break

Again with the separation -- a very YOU versus US kind of tone.

As far as speeding goes, I drive in such a way that someone who enforces TL like me would not stop me.

Here we see a self-professed statement about being a LEO, and we also find this in the same thread:

is it right for police officers to hold others to HIGHER standards than we hold to ourselves?????? (this was copied into another thread...so you've used it twice now...that's why it's here twice...)

since I do NOT always side with the police, you should shut up about THAT?????

This wasn't said, "I do NOT always side with fellow officers," or "I do NOT always side with other cops," but you stated "the police" as if they are an entity separate from yourself.

And that's just from your two most recent threads.

You may very well be a sworn LEO, but your own point of view while writing things here seems to waffle on the matter more than John Kerry at his best.

[11b101abn]

I don't play this "do as I say not as I do" game. So I am saying "they" to denote officers who are actively doing this.

Thats a game we all play, man.

I occasionally exceed the posted speed limits, but still actively enforce speeding law. So, what?


I try to hold myself to a higher set of personal standards,most of which became ingrained in me as a soldier, and NCO. I hold myself accountable for all of my mistakes.

[CityCopDC]

Hey, you can try to play games here, but you have been outted as a race baiter by plenty in here.;)

(reply with silly pic or "implication" that I am a racist)

Race baiter? I doubt that sir. I never include race in my topics. However you almost ALWAYS find a way to incorporate it into your reply. You have already put your hoof in your mouth in one thread, do you want to do it again here? What you wanna bet that you have brought race, NAACP, affirmitive action and reverse racism up in your posts more than I have? And I have a little over a thousand more posts than you. :eek:

Hey, you can try to play games here, but you have been outted as a race baiter by plenty in here.;) I think you were referring to yourself. Smoking mirrors man, smoking mirrors.

[Ex Army MP]

If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?

I most certainly would.


If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?

Did she deserve it? Just kidding. Yes.


If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job?

A big no-no for prosecutors and it's not limited to the owner of the establishment. I once spoke at a school at an all day event and during lunch the principal asked me and another member of my office to go to lunch. The bill came and she insisted on paying. She couldn't understand why we couldn't accept her paying the bill. We could have eaten another lunch in the time it took to convince her to let us pay.

[Feb2nd1979]

TRAFFIC? Are you serious. Who cares, everyone breaks traffic laws, cops/civilians. I run red lights, speed, run stop signs. I pull people over for these violations all the time, but rarely cite. Like most cops here, we belive in finding a reason to take someone to jail on a traffic stop then citing that person. Citing is for motors or CHP.

[DeputySC]

No one is perfect and we all break minor traffic laws that we enforce. Sometimes its by mistake and sometimes we may get careless. Everyone makes mistakes and cops are people to.... Not cyborgs... Robocop was just a movie. :)

[Brendon]

No one is perfect and we all break minor traffic laws that we enforce. Sometimes its by mistake and sometimes we may get careless. Everyone makes mistakes and cops are people to.... Not cyborgs... Robocop was just a movie. :)

...Cops are people?!

1984 lied to me!

[RoadKingTrooper]

Hey, you can try to play games here, but you have been outted as a race baiter by plenty in here.;)

(reply with silly pic or "implication" that I am a racist)

That's BS Scratched! I've never seen it!

You however seem to be more focused on race than City. Why is that?

[Brendon]

That's BS Scratched! I've never seen it!

You however seem to be more focused on race than City. Why is that?

Wow, you know how to put together a sentence without overusing periods or LOLing like a little girl......................

Glad to hear those English lessons paid off.................. LOL

[RoadKingTrooper]

Wow, you know how to put together a sentence without overusing periods or LOLing like a little girl......................

Glad to hear those English lessons paid off.................. LOL

Brendon! LOL What's your point? LOL

[Brendon]

My point is we don't need cops anymore. We have this:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x288/zobear10/album3/superherocto.jpg

[ten08]

1. You may very well lose your job. My father is a Underground Supervisor for a district for Con-Edison, he would lose his job.

2. If my father was charged and sentenced, he would lose his job.

3. N/A.

Sounds like I need to be talking to your father

[Chief Wiggum]

In case you guys didn't notce this is just another Professional Courtesy thread in disguise. But hey, put some lipstick on that pig and have at it.

[mikeymedic]

Do as I say, not as I do. I'm sure that they don't get away with the minor traffic violation that slip their mind by choice. Not all cops break these laws "because they can" but rather like most people who get pulled over for traffic violations, they don't even realize that they are committing the act. Truth is, if police didn't enforce the laws that they broke, then nobody would be safe from speeding tickets(safety) seatbelt violations(safety). Point is they enforce these rule to keep you safe, whether they break the rules sometime themselves. As far as pulling people over for chicken s*#$ violations that everyone commits, you should know as a cop, that like mentioned before, it is a good reason for an interdiction stop.

[Brendon]

So the underground supervisor has some sort of security clearance? How would Con-Edison find out he was charged let alone convicted? That doesn't make sense. The truth is, very few jobs hold their employees accountable for what is done off duty.

He does, because his district is in an area that includes a popular tunnel. Because he works on tunnel electricity, which require going into restricted areas that are guarded by Police and require a security clearance to go into any bridge or tunnel for work after 9/11. If an area you work on is apart of a bridge or tunnel and the work you're doing is in an area the public is not allowed to visit, it requires clearance.

Anyone at Con-Edison would get fired if convicted of drunk driving, as per guidelines said my father, since most people at Con-Edison are required to drive during their careers, and working at Con-Edison has huge safety factors involved. He had a DUI which was thrown out of court, and even that almost didn't get him the job. They are really careful about those things.

[CityCopDC]

That's BS Scratched! I've never seen it!

You however seem to be more focused on race than City. Why is that?

Hmmm.... I could take one good guess why he is always so focused on it. :eek:

[pujolsfan146]

Brendon! LOL What's your point? LOL

Just give it a little time and we should be good for another 30 days. LOL, LMBO, ROFL. Almost forgot the most important one for him. STFU!

[bigcop97]

I would like to answer your question by asking one of my own... How many Abodiginees do you see in male modeling?

[Russrad25]

Why do I suddenly feel dumber after reading scratched's posts???

Sullly...First wave of napalm dropped to commence flame war!

[David Hineline]

If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?

A DUI conviction and I instantly loose my job.


If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?

A domestic violence conviction and I would loose my second home based job.


If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job

No I would not.

[David Hineline]

If you had a civilian job and got a DUI would you lose your job?

A DUI conviction and I instantly loose my job.


If you had a Civilian job and punched your wife, would you lose your job?

A domestic violence conviction and I would loose my second home based job.


If you had a Civilian Job and the owner of Dunkin Donuts paid your check, would you lose your job

No I would not.

[scratched13]

Who really cares ? It's a traffic infraction and cops who violate take the same chances as everyone else when it comes to enforcement.

You'll get a number of opinions that lead you in different directions, even from leo's. And it's still just an opinion.

Give it up.

That's a lie, and you know it.

[scratched13]

Actually, you flip-flop back and forth between "we" and "us," suggesting some confusion in your true identification with this group of professionals. Let me demonstrate:



Here you are clearly identifying yourself WITH police officers, but then we see:



Separating yourself from "officers," not officers who have a double standard, but officers in-general.



Again with the separation -- a very YOU versus US kind of tone.



Here we see a self-professed statement about being a LEO, and we also find this in the same thread:

(this was copied into another thread...so you've used it twice now...that's why it's here twice...)



This wasn't said, "I do NOT always side with fellow officers," or "I do NOT always side with other cops," but you stated "the police" as if they are an entity separate from yourself.

And that's just from your two most recent threads.

You may very well be a sworn LEO, but your own point of view while writing things here seems to waffle on the matter more than John Kerry at his best.

Great spot! You got me .......

[scratched13]

TRAFFIC? Are you serious. Who cares, everyone breaks traffic laws, cops/civilians. I run red lights, speed, run stop signs. I pull people over for these violations all the time, but rarely cite. Like most cops here, we belive in finding a reason to take someone to jail on a traffic stop then citing that person. Citing is for motors or CHP.

Then you are okay. That's not what is being discussed here.

[scratched13]

No one is perfect and we all break minor traffic laws that we enforce. Sometimes its by mistake and sometimes we may get careless. Everyone makes mistakes and cops are people to.... Not cyborgs... Robocop was just a movie. :)

Mistake = rear ending someone. Not putting a tag on your car ...... lazy at best.

[scratched13]

In case you guys didn't notce this is just another Professional Courtesy thread in disguise. But hey, put some lipstick on that pig and have at it.

Not really. The logic can flow that way, but that was not its intent.

[scratched13]

Hey, here is a realization: Cops ("we") are NEVER wrong! Therefore, why do we even have more than one cop respond to a thread? I mean, that cop can't be wrong, b/c cops can't be wrong, right?

Oh yeah, that thin blue line thing! That's right. Can't call a cop hypocritical! He's a cop, and therefore nver wrong!

Hey, and why was that Bart cop even charged!?!?!? He's a cop, you know! Don't question his actions - he only killed a guy! That guy had to have done something wrong!

Oh, yeah - well that's different b/c it isn't a bogus thing like traffic law. Heck, he would have been okay if it was just a DUI accident with just minor injuries.

I mean, why should a cop follow the law that veryone else is expected to follow? Heck, most "good" cops only use that stuff for a pretext stop anyway. Only "bogus" motor cops cite for that small stuff.

Therefore, this cop should have just faced the camera and told off the guy with the camera instead of running. Right?

[ISPY4U2]

http://i43.tinypic.com/fazqc0.jpg

[Tex4720]

You are a fool 13. Even you cannot be perfect all the time. Although I agree officers should try and keep their business straight. But if I’m 6 days behind getting my sticker doesn’t mean I’m not gonna use that as a reason to stop traffic. I also go with out wearing my seat belt at times but I will use that to make a stop. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite. It only makes me a better cop than I am a citizen. That’s all.

[RoadKingTrooper]

You are a fool 13. Even you cannot be perfect all the time. Although I agree officers should try and keep their business straight. But if I’m 6 days behind getting my sticker doesn’t mean I’m not gonna use that as a reason to stop traffic. I also go with out wearing my seat belt at times but I will use that to make a stop. That doesn’t make me a hypocrite. It only makes me a better cop than I am a citizen. That’s all.

LOL Tex and human as well!


Time for a new career Scratched? You only seem to find fault with your present one.

[David Hineline]

Like president Nixon said, when the president does it then it's not illegal.