Question on applying...

[wildstar]

I am currently filling out the Secret Service app and when it asks about your past criminal history I am not sure what to put. When I was a freshman in college I was charged with being in a liquor store under 21. I was not trying to buy as I was with someone who was 21 and he was not trying to buy from me. Apparently in Delaware you cannot enter a liquor store if you are under 21, which is different than where I am from (NJ) where you can be in the store as long as you are not trying to buy anything. Anyway so I wasn't arrested or anything but I was given a summons for it and was given probation before judgement. The judge told me if I stayed trouble free for 2 years that everything would be wiped from my record. Now I did this successfully and went to court 2 years later and payed the fee and was told that it was completely wiped. Now my question is if I have to put any of this on my application? Anyone know?

[wildstar]

Oh and the penalty for the probation before judgement if I did not stay clean was just to have it stay on my record... not go to jail or anything

[Up_On_Base]

Oh and the penalty for the probation before judgement if I did not stay clean was just to have it stay on my record... not go to jail or anything

When filling out any document for background, list it all upfront.

Your charge is not a big deal. Trust me, most federal agents were not all choir boys. What is expected is you tell everything and the truth.

Good luck

[wildstar]

Thanks for the response up on base.. would my probation before judgement have to be listed as yes i've been on probation? I called the police department that all of this was through and they said they didn't know the answer.

[ATLiens]

It would be in your best interest to list EVERYTHING including things you are unsure about. During your initial, the Boss will ask you about it and you can be more elaborate. Its best for you to list it than for them to ask you months down the road in the BI. Notice I said "months".

[FormerUSAF]

When filling out any document for background, list it all upfront.

Your charge is not a big deal. Trust me, most federal agents were not all choir boys. What is expected is you tell everything and the truth.

Good luck

He is correct it will not be a big deal........

Makes me wonder why the cop wrote such a silly summons...........

[Statetriple]

He is correct it will not be a big deal........

Makes me wonder why the cop wrote such a silly summons...........



Because not all Cops work in the East End of the Bad News Like you!!

Former..

Some need to generate anything they can in LOL....

[England]

If you do not list it you can be sure you will be DQ'd later for non disclosure. Be honest about your past. Noone is squeaky clean.

[FormerUSAF]

Because not all Cops work in the East End of the Bad News Like you!!

Former..

Some need to generate anything they can in LOL....

LOL..............that is what I was thinking "bored cop";)

Statetriple,

Wish I could be a big statey like you ..........LOL

[wildstar]

Well I just got off with the court who I went through and they said it is completely off my record. They said not to disclose it because there would be no paper work whatsoever saying I had the summons and that it was removed.

Yes, I agree that it was a pretty stupid summons, but the cops were tough and numerous at U of D. I just couldn't believe I didn't even get a warning. The undercover cop approached me when my friend was getting inline, asked for my id and I gave him my NJ license. He told me that it was illegal to be in the store under the age of 21. I said that I did not know that, that in NJ it wasn't that way, I did not touch anything in the store or have a conversation dealing with alcohol or the store. He wanted to arrest me... I was like you have got to be kidding right?

[Up_On_Base]

Well I just got off with the court who I went through and they said it is completely off my record. They said not to disclose it because there would be no paper work whatsoever saying I had the summons and that it was removed.
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Dude - I am former USSS...trust me, they will find out.

Either from the BI or the poly...they will find it.

You won't have a problem, but if you with hold info, no chance.

Call the boston FO and speak to the recruiter.

[wildstar]

up on base: would probation before judgement be considered probation? it was probation to erase it from my record, not jail or anything like that.

[Up_On_Base]

up on base: would probation before judgement be considered probation? it was probation to erase it from my record, not jail or anything like that.

Not from Mass, don't know the state laws up there.

Just be upfront about it and don't worry. Trust me, its not a big deal.

There is probably no record but why risk anything. You won't get DQ'd for being overly honest.

[george4]

It does not matter if this incident shows up anywhere on paper. Like Up on Base I am former USSS. This matter will probably come up in your polygraph. You can not hide it and should not hide it. It should be a non-issue. Failing to disclose it and having the USSS (or any agency for that matter) find it will DQ you. Honesty is the best policy.

Best of luck in the process.

[SHU]

Tell the FULL truth. not just what you think will or will not show up. Your past is no big deal as long as you are upfront about it unless you are in your early 20s.

[wildstar]

Thanks for the info guys, I appreciate it. I completely agree, I want to be completely honest through this process. It would be Delaware law, as that is where the incidence occurred. I'm going to guess that this is classified as a misdemeanor?

[wildstar]

and I'm 26 if that matters

[SHU]

You will probably be ok. Just be upfront about every single thing. What you did sounds like a mis to me but if you really wanted to be sure you could call the county in which it happened and speak with an ada about it. If this is your only bump in the road you don't have much to worry about as far as your BI goes. Best of luck to you.

[wildstar]

how much do speeding tickets hurt you? this incident is the only criminal incident i have, but I have had a couple speeding tickets.

[England]

It really depends on when they were and the circumstances. I haven't seen anyone dq'd for a couple tickets but if it's a habit. then it could be a problem. Your posting sounds as if you may want to hide this. Trust the people on this forum when they tell you that if you hide it, you surely will NOT get hired.

I was taken into custody as a teenager for trespassing. It was a party that the owner's nephew threw without his knowledge. Anyway, I didn't get "booked" but I still disclosed that when I applied.

After my bi, the investigator told me he couldn't find anything on it. But he could have if he dug deeper.

[Up_On_Base]

It really depends on when they were and the circumstances. I haven't seen anyone dq'd for a couple tickets but if it's a habit. then it could be a problem. Your posting sounds as if you may want to hide this. Trust the people on this forum when they tell you that if you hide it, you surely will NOT get hired.

I was taken into custody as a teenager for trespassing. It was a party that the owner's nephew threw without his knowledge. Anyway, I didn't get "booked" but I still disclosed that when I applied.

After my bi, the investigator told me he couldn't find anything on it. But he could have if he dug deeper.

You did the right thing, even though there is no paper trail. In most small towns, everyone knows each others business and the local cops remember what happened a long time ago.

If that pops up in the BI (even w/o paper trail) it can jam you up.