Lost wallet, credit cards are being used, and badge is gone.

[Mabbottusmc]

So I dropped my wallet on the street outside of my car. The only place it could be. I got a call from Wells Fargo asking if I spent $600 at Home Depot and $600 at Marshall's. Of coarse I didn't Someone found my wallet, used all of my credit cards. My dept ID and flat badge are in there.

Went to a few of the places where he used my cards. Got a description but no ID or plate info. The 7-11 where he bought gas doesn't have video on the pumps. The guy was about my build and was wearing a chargers jersey. After I canceled my card. He tried to use 2 at pick up sticks. The guy ran my card 6 times and an employee didn't catch on.

I'm venting because I feel stupid for losing it one and some local jackass now has all my Dept Id's and training cards, my Cali DL, My address, the cash in my wallet, all of my credit cards. I can't even prove I'm a cop right now!

[deputy x 2]

You know the drill..contact one of the three credit bureaus and flag your name blah blah blah...identity theft sucks.

I would be more concerned that joe thug knows you are a cop...has your address and might want to add to his firearm collection...or just burg you for kicks.

Don't forget to notify surround agencies TRAK FLYER that your badge/id is outstanding.

[ChiTownDet]

What a pain in the azz cancelling and replacing all the ID's and credit cards. Hopefully the mutt doesn't use the badge for some REAL bad schyte. We take time (1-3 days, no pay) here for losing our star(we're only issued and suppose to possess only the one). Don't kick yourself in the head too much over it, crap happens..

[andy5746]

I'm venting because I feel stupid for losing it one and some local jackass now has all my Dept Id's and training cards, my Cali DL, My address, the cash in my wallet, all of my credit cards. I can't even prove I'm a cop right now!

Dude, that sucks! I have 2 wallets - one for Dept ID, other for D.L., credit cards, etc.. And advice for anyone out there, if you can, have your address on your license come back to your work address or P.O. box...

I wish you luck, and merchants are no help - they just want to make the sale, don't care who uses the card as long as it pays...

A guy I worked with lost his wallet on-duty in the ghetto. A few days later some gangsters did a drive-by on his house while he was home with wife & kids...they are OK but had to move. Not to scare you, but let your neighbors know and be vigilant!!

[IronBruin]

Look on the bright side, I was on a ride-along a few weeks ago when a call came in that an officer from another agency wanted to report his gun "stolen" from the local movie theatre:eek: At least the guy didn't get that.

[Mabbottusmc]

We had several law enforcement officers report their guns stolen from their vehicles during the county fair last year.

[Berlioz]

We had several law enforcement officers report their guns stolen from their vehicles during the county fair last year.

Just happened to an LAXPD officer as well...be careful.

[BossMan1364]

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck with everything and be safe.

[SgtCHP]

You don't have to lose your wallet to get involved as a victim in ID theft. In Oct. 2000, my wife and I took a vacation in MA, PA and RI. When we returned, we had messages from Sears, Penny's, WalMart, Domino"s Pizza, and a couple of local stores advising us our checks did not clear.

WTF, I never wrote a check at any of those places - especially during the time frame.

Bottom line, a delivery person from another pizza joint, copied a check way back in Jun 2000, made his own checks on his computer - with my name, address and phone number - went out and wrote about $10000.00 in bad checks.

Fortunately, my insurance and bank took care of the financial issues; but, I had to go to five separate LE agencies and file ID Theft charges and make reports. It can really be a hassle.

[417Lt]

I was a victim of ID theft a while back too. During the ordeal I learned something that never occurred to me before: You can't cancel a credit card that you don't know exists. And if the crook sets up a phone line in your name and answers it they will get away with a lot of stuff before they fold the play. Then your name and info goes on a stale but confirmed list for sale and use several years later when the alerts are all gone.:(

[Copp'rPenny]

Wouldn't a credit check display all credit cards in your name?

And always pay for pizza with cash!

[IronBruin]

And always pay for pizza with cash!

I learned that lesson after hearing about a kid that I used to work with that got fired from his job at a pizza place for charging extra tips onto customer CC's:eek:

[IronBruin]

We had several law enforcement officers report their guns stolen from their vehicles during the county fair last year.

Except that the officer that I was referring to basically dropped his gun in the theatre, definitely all his fault. I would argue leaving a gun in your car and getting it stolen is your fault as well. http://www.gunsafestore.com/car-gun-safes.htm

[DAL]

Having your gun stolen is less of a hassle than losing your badge, ID and credit cards. As long as your car was locked and the gun was out of sight, your are not likely to be criticized. I put mine in a locked center console or locked glove box.

[DAL]

I was a victim of ID theft a while back too. During the ordeal I learned something that never occurred to me before: You can't cancel a credit card that you don't know exists. And if the crook sets up a phone line in your name and answers it they will get away with a lot of stuff before they fold the play. Then your name and info goes on a stale but confirmed list for sale and use several years later when the alerts are all gone.:(

I have online access to all my credit card accounts and check them regularly.

[hbliam]

Having your gun stolen is less of a hassle than losing your badge, ID and credit cards. As long as your car was locked and the gun was out of sight, your are not likely to be criticized. I put mine in a locked center console or locked glove box.

I a lot of guys do but both places are illegal for storing a firearm.

[willowdared]

Ouch!

I tried using two of my cards in December, they were declined at the register, and I had messages waiting about "attempted" frauds on my phone when I got home.

[LA DEP]

I a lot of guys do but both places are illegal for storing a firearm.

Under what section of the PC?......

esp. considering we are ORDERED to leave our firearms in our vehicles (or at home) if we are going to be consuming alcoholic beverages.....including at a restaurant......

[hbliam]

Under what section of the PC?......

esp. considering we are ORDERED to leave our firearms in our vehicles (or at home) if we are going to be consuming alcoholic beverages.....including at a restaurant......

12026.1

Edit: You can put them in the glove or center console as long as they are in a seperate locked container. The glove box or center console cannot be your locked container.

[LA DEP]

12026.1

Edit: You can put them in the glove or center console as long as they are in a seperate locked container. The glove box or center console cannot be your locked container.

Teensy little problem.....

These sections cover concealing and transporting loaded firearms ect.....

ALL of which we as LEO as exempt from.......unless you have another section perhaps?.....

[hbliam]

Teensy little problem.....

These sections cover concealing and transporting loaded firearms ect.....

ALL of which we as LEO as exempt from.......unless you have another section perhaps?.....

You aren't exempt from properly storing a weapon. Your CCW exempts you from having to keep the firearm in a locked container while transfering the weapon to the vehicle or while driving but not when you leave it in the vehicle. Once the weapon leaves your care and control you have to store it like anyone else.

[LA DEP]

Also, btw....12026.1 ISNT a separate law.....look it up and re-read it.....

It is simply shows EXCEPTIONS to 12025 PC.......

have you actually EVER arrested someone for 12026?......

[LA DEP]

There ISNT a 'mandatory storage law' here in CA......the ONLY law that covers this is if a LOADED firearm is left in an area where a child could reasonably gain access to it......

otherwise.....99.999999999999999999999999999% of gunowners are breaking the law here in Kommifornia.......

[hbliam]

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/legal/5015-glove-box-carry.html

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/legal/3851-ccw-glovebox-center-console.html

Argue with Greg. The POST certified subject matter expert. :)

[LA DEP]

No need to argue at all.....

btw....how does this effect us that DONT have a CCW?.....

as LEOs here in CA, we dont need one....why?


BECAUSE WE ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FRAKKIN WEAPONS LAWS>>>>THATS WHY.......

[LA DEP]

let me know what city you work in....so I can leave a weapon unsecured, and you can arrest me.....

I could use the entertainment, and the $$$$$$$:rolleyes:

[FJDave]

This is all well and good, but our department policy forbids us from leaving a gun in the car unattended, locked or not. So if we have a gun stolen from a locked container in our vehicles while we are in the gym, bar, etc., we are in violation of policy.

[Berlioz]

Dave, that may be policy but its also common sense!:)

[hbliam]

No need to argue at all.....

btw....how does this effect us that DONT have a CCW?.....

as LEOs here in CA, we dont need one....why?


BECAUSE WE ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FRAKKIN WEAPONS LAWS>>>>THATS WHY.......

Wow. You really think that?

[FJDave]

I know that. It's in the penal code. Look under section 12027 (a) (1) (A)... which states in part, "Persons Exempt. Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the following: Any peace officer, listed in section 830.1 or 830.2, or subdivision (a) of 830.33, whether active or honorablt retired, or other duly appointed peace officers (blah, blah blah)" Yeah, we are exempt....says so right there. Hence, no CCW needed....it's built right in there, like a sink in the kitchen countertop....:D

[hbliam]

I know that. It's in the penal code. Look under section 12027 (a) (1) (A)... which states in part, "Persons Exempt. Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the following: Any peace officer, listed in section 830.1 or 830.2, or subdivision (a) of 830.33, whether active or honorablt retired, or other duly appointed peace officers (blah, blah blah)" Yeah, we are exempt....says so right there. Hence, no CCW needed....it's built right in there, like a sink in the kitchen countertop....:D

My understanding from researching the issue is:

We are exempt from having to transport a weapon unloaded. We can carry it on our lap if we want. So can anyone with a CCW.

The question is what are we required to do with our weapon when we leave it in the vehicle. It is no longer in our care or control. 12026.1 clearly defines that what does and what does not qualify as a locked container. I sent Greg an email. We can have him weigh in. I doubt there is anyone in the state more qualifed to answer the question. If I'm wrong I'll be happy to admit it (and start locking my gun in my center console).

We aren't exempt from all weapons laws. Take your gun into a secure area of the airport and see how things go. Or Angel Stadium.

[Berlioz]

Or Angel Stadium.

Maybe if you're showing it...but concealed you won't have an issue. It might not be allowed but you'll never get caught. Its not like the airport where there is full on security screening going on.

[FJDave]

I take mine into Angel Statium AND Disneyland....I just don't make a big ol' production about it.

And as my friend Berlioz said, it's common sense NOT to leave guns unattended in cars. However, it's also policy for my agency. So that solves that question for me, exemption or not :D

[LA DEP]

My understanding from researching the issue is:

We are exempt from having to transport a weapon unloaded. We can carry it on our lap if we want. So can anyone with a CCW.

The question is what are we required to do with our weapon when we leave it in the vehicle. It is no longer in our care or control. 12026.1 clearly defines that what does and what does not qualify as a locked container. I sent Greg an email. We can have him weigh in. I doubt there is anyone in the state more qualifed to answer the question. If I'm wrong I'll be happy to admit it (and start locking my gun in my center console).

We aren't exempt from all weapons laws. Take your gun into a secure area of the airport and see how things go. Or Angel Stadium.

Apples and Oranges......There is a separate section for transporting/CCW/Carrying a loaded firearm into the security areas of the airport.....

There is NO LAW about carrying into Angel Stadium, or Staples, or Disneyland.....they simply have policies about carrying on their PRIVATE property......all they can do is refuse entry, or tell you to leave if found inside....thats it......

12026 is PART OF 12025.....there isnt a separate section dealing with how a weapon must be secured......12026 isnt even an arrestable section...it is a REFERENCE section.......

[hbliam]

Apples and Oranges......There is a separate section for transporting/CCW/Carrying a loaded firearm into the security areas of the airport.....

My point was..we are not "EXEMPT FROM THE FRAKKIN WEAPONS LAWS", as you so eloquently put it.

There is NO LAW about carrying into Angel Stadium, or Staples, or Disneyland.....they simply have policies about carrying on their PRIVATE property......all they can do is refuse entry, or tell you to leave if found inside....thats it......

I understand that, but again, it's another case where your super duper star doesn't make you exempt.

12026 is PART OF 12025.....there isnt a separate section dealing with how a weapon must be secured......12026 isnt even an arrestable section...it is a REFERENCE section.......

Yeah, the part that defines what is and what isn't considered a locked container in a vehicle.

But like I said in my previous post. I'll get an answer from Greg and post it up here regardless.

[e30sd]

So I dropped my wallet on the street outside of my car. The only place it could be. I got a call from Wells Fargo asking if I spent $600 at Home Depot and $600 at Marshall's. Of coarse I didn't Someone found my wallet, used all of my credit cards. My dept ID and flat badge are in there.

Went to a few of the places where he used my cards. Got a description but no ID or plate info. The 7-11 where he bought gas doesn't have video on the pumps. The guy was about my build and was wearing a chargers jersey. After I canceled my card. He tried to use 2 at pick up sticks. The guy ran my card 6 times and an employee didn't catch on.

I'm venting because I feel stupid for losing it one and some local jackass now has all my Dept Id's and training cards, my Cali DL, My address, the cash in my wallet, all of my credit cards. I can't even prove I'm a cop right now!



Mabbottusmc,

Sucks about your wallet. I always wondered why my LEO friends carried 2 wallets, one for dept creds and other for cash/cards. This was the reason given to me:

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/aug/23/local/me-8882

York, 26, had become a deputy only two years earlier, fulfilling a lifelong ambition to follow in his father’s footsteps.

York and his fiancee, Jennifer Parish, were visiting De’ Cut Salon, where her sister worked, when two robbers burst into the shop, according to testimony.

The robbers screamed racial slurs and ordered customers and employees to the floor, snatching valuables from everyone inside. Then one of the gunmen saw the badge in York’s wallet.

He kicked York as he lay on the ground, according to testimony from Parish, who also is a Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy. The gunman asked York if he ever mistreated blacks and Crips gang members at Los Angeles County’s Wayside jail, where he worked.

“No sir,” York responded, according to Parish.

In reply, Boyce, a gang member from Compton, fired the gun at York’s head, according to prosecutors.

[LawyerCop]

Myself and one of my (now former) LT's used a very well known AR/M4 on-line accessory site to purchase several items. Within hours, the credit card numbers were used by unknowns in Indonesia. They ran up about $2,000 in hours. I contacted the site where our purchasers were made and found them less than indifferent. They could not care less. Turns out, irrespective of their good advertising, they are a garage operation and the 18 year old son is their IS security manager!. They used a very old encription system and it was hacked (they said) Summing it up, their attitude was was "oh well, sorry about that s**t". Be careful when ordering AR parts and accessories...they are STILL doing business the same way.

[LA DEP]

My point was..we are not "EXEMPT FROM THE FRAKKIN WEAPONS LAWS", as you so eloquently put it.

I understand that, but again, it's another case where your super duper star doesn't make you exempt.



Yeah, the part that defines what is and what isn't considered a locked container in a vehicle.

But like I said in my previous post. I'll get an answer from Greg and post it up here regardless.

Yes, we are.......

We are EXEMPT from 12025 (FJDAVE already posted that section), we are EXEMPT from 12031.....we are EXEMPT from the 'big' weapons section 12020 PC (batons ect), we are EXEMPT from even the "Evil Black Rifle' law (with a letterhead from your agency)

The ONLY weapon law that we are not exempt from is the safe storage rules that apply when a child is reasonably expected to be present (12035-12036), and THAT law only applies to your business and/or home.

[DAL]

This is all well and good, but our department policy forbids us from leaving a gun in the car unattended, locked or not. So if we have a gun stolen from a locked container in our vehicles while we are in the gym, bar, etc., we are in violation of policy.

Does your department also discourage you from carrying your weapon with you into a bar when you are off duty? (Many if most do, and Sheriff Baca wants to prohibit deputies from carrying weapons when they are drinking.)

If so, what are you supposed to do with your weapon?

[El_Federal]

mabottusmc, i could not imagine the feeling of losing all of your docs and cards...truley sucks and sorry to hear that.

but i got a question and not to hijack the forum...what about out of state LEOs and carring while concealed?

i want to visit cali in the near future. what do u guys suggest or recommend?

[DAL]

You aren't exempt from properly storing a weapon. Your CCW exempts you from having to keep the firearm in a locked container while transfering the weapon to the vehicle or while driving but not when you leave it in the vehicle. Once the weapon leaves your care and control you have to store it like anyone else.

Suppose, hypothetically, that I am not a law-enforcement officer but have a concealed-weapons permit. I leave the weapon locked in the glove compartment of my locked car. Please tell me what California law, by code section, I am violating.

[DAL]

what about out of state LEOs and carring while concealed?

i want to visit cali in the near future. what do u guys suggest or recommend?

You will find several threads relating to HR 218 in the Squad Room and elsewhere. Just bring your active-duty ID, carry the weapon concealed, and don't get intoxicated.

[El_Federal]

You will find several threads relating to HR 218 in the Squad Room and elsewhere. Just bring your active-duty ID, carry the weapon concealed, and don't get intoxicated.

10-fo...:)

[417Lt]

I have online access to all my credit card accounts and check them regularly.
Leaning back toward the original topic:
I forgot to mention that all of the spending was done in about 6 hours after the phone line was up and working. The purchases were done almost at the same times in several different places; all while someone posing as me answered the phone telling the creditors everything was OK.
Wouldn't a credit check display all credit cards in your name?

I don't know if there is much you can do if a pro has your info. By the time you find out something is wrong, it's over and they're gone.

[Garbage Man]

What happened at the home depot and marshalls? No video?

[Mabbottusmc]

What happened at the home depot and marshalls? No video?

They spent about $600 at each place. Marshall's said they had video, I couldn't get a hold of loss prevention at Home Depot. Pick up Stix has video also. The SDPD financial crimes div should follow up with it.

[Mabbottusmc]

I have to pay $90 to get a new flat badge and ID. The problem is that the bank hasn't put the money back into my account so I can't pay for them!

[FJDave]

If we lose a badge/ID, we have to pay I think $65. They do a payroll deduction if we don't have the money up front.

[willowdared]

The good news is they did not read it off the briefing board....at least not the last couple of days. ;)

[ownerop]

Apples and Oranges......There is a separate section for transporting/CCW/Carrying a loaded firearm into the security areas of the airport.....

There is NO LAW about carrying into Angel Stadium, or Staples, or Disneyland.....they simply have policies about carrying on their PRIVATE property......all they can do is refuse entry, or tell you to leave if found inside....thats it......

12026 is PART OF 12025.....there isnt a separate section dealing with how a weapon must be secured......12026 isnt even an arrestable section...it is a REFERENCE section.......

+1, I have to agree with LADep on this one. The violation section is 12025, and 12026 is a reference to 12025 and you cannot be convicted or even charged with a violation of that section. Now I am sure as far a civil liability is concerned, any good lawyer can find a jury to agree that you were negligent in leaving you loaded weapon unsecured in your car and get a few buck from your agency or maybe even personally. It's just like the burglar that sues your for falling and breaking their leg when they were breaking into your house.

[i8547]

To the OP: Hope it all ends up in your favor. I have never ACTUALLY lost my creds & badge, but do know the initial feeling having thought I lost mine on two occasions only to find them shortly afterward.

WRT the topic(s) the thread has been hijacked to cover: At my agency as long as our firearm is in a lock box, it can be on the dashboard of the car or anywhere else for the matter, we are covered should it be stolen per agency policy. I however do not leave my firearm anywhere but on my person or secured at home.

Also, hbliam- go federal and you'll be covered in sterile areas of the airport and mostly anywhere else :)

Lastly, why are you consulting a CCW related site for your answers? As Dave pointed out, peace officers are exempt from the majority of the CA Penal Code when it comes to PC relating to possession, ownership, carrying, and transporting.