Compton PD (2.0) ????

[DOAcop38]

I know this issue has been bounced around here from time to time, but apparently now its got "legs". Apparently from a follow up to a May 20th, 2008 directive by Compton city council, at the behest of Former Compton PD Sgt/ asst L.A. Co. D.A./ current Mayor Eric Perrodin , $1 million dollars has been earmarked for a "study" by All things Police Consultant Joseph Rouzan ( A former LAPD Capt/Inglewood PD Chief /Compton PD Chief) OF JTA and Associates , to push the issue for a re constituted Compton PD,by mid yr 2009.

Several things strike me as curious :

1) Where are they getting the $$$ from ???

Compton PD was in the RED when the Dept disbanded( one of the reasons Then Mayor, Omar "Gangsta" Bradley went to LASD ). The CPT officers were seriously underpaid ( at that time) in base salary compared to other area PDs.Equip was horrendously subpar, facilities were substandard,and the Dept was slowly bleeding officers due to low morale and speculations about their future.With the current financial downturn effecting EVERYONE inso.California, where does Compton get a million dollars ,when apparently COMPLAINING about the costs and service given by the Sheriffs Dept?

2)How will they fund a New Compton PD?

Maybe this is part of question#1, BUT...... Police depts are extremely expensive( Ask Depts like Hawaiian Gardens PD ,now currently back in the hands of LASD) To patrol Compton City, they'd need at least a min. of 120-150 officers and supvs. to be competitive ,even in this economy, you'd have to make the pay a MIN. of $60K/yr to $80K/yr to attract people to the high crime city of 120,000.

This doesn't include retirements, medical,equipement and training. and in order to get the Dept off the ground and rapidly functional, you'd need LATERAL officers to fill the mid and lower level supervisory positions,as well as FTO positions. With the LASD paying $58K to $96K/yr base, I doubt that many rank and file deputies would transfer over,and unless they are planning on taking early retirements and doing the "Dbl dip" game,( earn 2 retirements) I can't see many LAPD,LBPD, or other locals coming on board either.

3) Who is going to lead the Dept.????

Lets see- Perrodin- local "boyscout " done good is Mayor. Hourie Taylor- Former Compton PD Chief and current "Compton School PD Chief", is sitting only 3 blocks away from old Compton Station at the corrupt and dysfunctional CUSD, and then theres Former Compton Chief and now "consultant" Joe Rouzan (former Chief of Inglewood PD until death threats led him to retire early.Same Rouzan was not too popular with Upstart LAXPD,when he and the Late Johnny Cochran tried several times to STOP the pay increases to match their LAPD brethren)

Somehow , and goodness forgive me for saying this, but I doubt that the Sheriffs are going to get a "fair shake" on any evaluations. One of the biggest problems these days is the "oversight" of depts, especially in smaller agencies. One need only look at nearby South Gate PD in the early 2000's and armpit Maywood PD, to see that Chiefs positions come at the whim of local politicos, who essentially want the police to be their "puppets", and expect certain crimes to be overlooked when it comes down to "friends" being involved.

4) Service- will it increase or decrease. In 2004 , the local citizens of compton voted on measure D( a measure that would have focussed on bringing the Comtpon PD back)- the results? 2/3s of the citizens voted "NO" to an ineffective and underequipped dept that was hogtied by then corrupt Mayor Bradley( imagine working a city where your mayor uses active Gangmembers as "Security",even when you have warrants for their arrests!!!)
For an effective Compton PD, you'd have to bring BACK officers who really wanted to work Compton -focussed people who could have a free hand in PROPERLY running the dept, not cronies who feel ENTITLED.

Well the December 19th ,2008 L.A. Wave newspaper( a mainly black community paper) carried the story, and some of the article was one sided in that it failed to mention the lowered crime stats the sheriffs have created in compton ,by quoting people with obvious biases( like Transition Chief Ramon Allen).we shall see.............

[pulicords]

Sounds like a scheme to funnel $1,000,000.00 to buddies (aka: consultants)! ;) I wouldn't be surprised to some at least some of that money (if it's alloted) donated to the "supportive" city council members' election campaigns. Just don't expect to see a new police department formed. If cities like Malibu, Santa Clarita and West Hollywood can't afford their own agencies, Compton sure isn't going to rebuild their's!

[MT2658]

to be competitive ,even in this economy, you'd have to make the pay a MIN. of $60K/yr to $80K/yr to attract people to the high crime city of 120,000.




I'd have to disagree with that statement. There are a lot of applicants out there that are willing to do the same job you and other officers do for a lot less. I'm willing to bet they could pay $40k a year and still have bodies.

[LA DEP]

40K a year in LA?.......

Only if you want to LIVE in Compton......and on foodstamps......

[MT2658]

I net $26k a year right now and manage to live in Huntington Beach. It's extremly tight but doable. I'd rather work a job I'm happy with for low pay than work a job I hate for higher pay.

[LA DEP]

Well, you also are not having to shell our several thousand $$$$$ for your initial equipment at your current job.......

At 40K a year starting pay, CPD would not exactly be getting the cream of the crop as far as recruits go.......and they definitely would not be retaining them for any length of time......Laterals?......they wouldnt get ANY, unless they 'double dipping' like DOACop suggested

At rate, it is a moot point.......they will never come up with the several MILLION dollars that will be required to start up a new CPD......because they will have to start from scratch......Hire several hundred officers/supervisors/support staff........radio cars.....equipment.....radio equipment and radio frequencies from the FCC......a BUILDING for the station (I am pretty sure that the current Compton Station is now owned by the county).......the list is very long, and very expensive.......

[MT2658]

Does any of the money from the court go to the city? Traffic cites, fines etc?

[ownerop]

I net $26k a year right now and manage to live in Huntington Beach. It's extremly tight but doable. I'd rather work a job I'm happy with for low pay than work a job I hate for higher pay.

You clearly don't own a home or have kids that are dependent on your salary. 26k in So. Cal and especailly in OC is poverty level income. Sorry, but at some point income is more important if you have a family to support. Most people with a family don't have the luxury to take any job just because they like it, putting food on the table and raising your kids is #1 and I would take a job I don't like if it meant a better lifestyle for my family and I believe most people here would too.

[LA DEP]

Does any of the money from the court go to the city? Traffic cites, fines etc?

Very little.....and I mean VERY little......the $$$$ from traffic fines are divied up between the state, the county, and the city......each getting a smaller piece of the pie......

Most cities get their main income from property taxes from properties in their city......and with the value of most properties in free fall right now, the property taxes are going down as well......

[MT2658]

You clearly don't own a home or have kids that are dependent on your salary. 26k in So. Cal and especailly in OC is poverty level income. Sorry, but at some point income is more important if you have a family to support. Most people with a family don't have the luxury to take any job just because they like it, putting food on the table and raising your kids is #1 and I would take a job I don't like if it meant a better lifestyle for my family and I believe most people here would too.

You are correct I do not. I'm just saying that there is always someone willing to do your job cheaper. There are numerous jobs out there that pay better if your main objective for working is the income. Law enforcement is pretty much an entry level career. I don't know of many jobs that only require a GED and pay $60k a year to start and retire you out at 90%. There are a lot of us younger guys out there graduating academies who just want to go 10-8 and don't have families to worry about. I'm sure you vets bring a lot of expertise to your profession but it wouldn't be the end of the world if the economy became worse and dept's were forced to dramatically lower their pay causing you guys to retire. With all the hiring freezes I am starting to see more guys applying for reserve positions just to get their foot in the door, myself included.

[ownerop]

You are correct I do not. I'm just saying that there is always someone willing to do your job cheaper. There are numerous jobs out there that pay better if your main objective for working is the income. Law enforcement is pretty much an entry level career. I don't know of many jobs that only require a GED and pay $60k a year to start and retire you out at 90%. There are a lot of us younger guys out there graduating academies who just want to go 10-8 and don't have families to worry about. I'm sure you vets bring a lot of expertise to your profession but it wouldn't be the end of the world if the economy became worse and dept's were forced to dramatically lower their pay causing you guys to retire. With all the hiring freezes I am starting to see more guys applying for reserve positions just to get their foot in the door, myself included.


I believe in the old adage " you get what you pay for" you pay your employees little, you get little in return. In law enforcement, you need quality people to run a top notch and reliable dept. if you are the bottom rung of pay you will only attract the rejects from other dept. and have, at best a bad dept with low morale and at worst you end up with a very corrupt dept with the Feds constantly investigating corrupt cops; it's a bad idea.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

Having worked Compton Station, there is no way the city could ever pay for the "free" services LASD gives to the city. Gang units, narco, homicide, aero and many other services the dept pretty much gives for free. The only thing the city pays for are for actual patrol units. The residents love the LASD for the most part. Also, tactically it's also better. Compton Station is sandwiched between Century Sta. to the north, Carson Sta. to the south and Lakewood Sta. to the east. Communication is great when something goes emergent. The guys get help without having to ask for it alot of the times.

[LA DEP]

You are correct I do not. I'm just saying that there is always someone willing to do your job cheaper. There are numerous jobs out there that pay better if your main objective for working is the income. Law enforcement is pretty much an entry level career. I don't know of many jobs that only require a GED and pay $60k a year to start and retire you out at 90%. There are a lot of us younger guys out there graduating academies who just want to go 10-8 and don't have families to worry about. I'm sure you vets bring a lot of expertise to your profession but it wouldn't be the end of the world if the economy became worse and dept's were forced to dramatically lower their pay causing you guys to retire. With all the hiring freezes I am starting to see more guys applying for reserve positions just to get their foot in the door, myself included.

Actually if the budget got that bad, then a couple of things would occur long before pay reductions.......the main one would be manpower reductions.....as in complete hiring freezes, allowing the department to save $$$$ through not having to pay for spots opened up through attrition.......they would also offer 'golden handshake' deals to encourage more of folks closer to retirement to pull the pin early......

More than a few of us here have been through some very severe budget times......it didnt hurt us that were already hired (except for the lost promotions and specialty job openings), only those trying to get hired......

You also have to realize that most departments pay/benefit packages are part of a binding MOU contract......we will simply cut positions before we cut salaries......we have done it more than once since I hired on in 1988......

[WPD954]

I keep hearing rumors about CPT wanting their own PD again, I see green and tan in their future, and with the economy, many more cities probably going to green and tan, in my own opinion.

Compton can't seem to keep anything, from the school district and community college to the PD. :confused:

And I am not bashing their PD, I had several friends there and I had a lot of respect for the dept. :cool:

[DAL]

I voted "Yes" but only because I live in an unincorporated area of the County. The Sheriff devotes more of his resources to Compton than the contract with the city calls for, as a result of which residents of unincorporated cities are shortchanged.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

I voted "Yes" but only because I live in an unincorporated area of the County. The Sheriff devotes more of his resources to Compton than the contract with the city calls for, as a result of which residents of unincorporated cities are shortchanged.

actually, i think the unincorporated gets more also. the compton city units would also go into the unincorporated areas. so the county areas do get more patrolling. deps patrolling really don't see city or county lines. you also have all the gang units in the unincorporated areas. if compton got their own dept back, you would probably see less units in your area.

[DAL]

actually, i think the unincorporated gets more also. the compton city units would also go into the unincorporated areas. so the county areas do get more patrolling. deps patrolling really don't see city or county lines. you also have all the gang units in the unincorporated areas. if compton got their own dept back, you would probably see less units in your area.

That is not what I hear. SEB and OSS spend a disproportionate amount of time in Compton. In 2006, the LA Times reported that Baca had sent additional deputies to Compton because of the high crime rate there.

In any event, I live far away from Compton, thankfully.

[LA DEP]

That is not what I hear. SEB and OSS spend a disproportionate amount of time in Compton. In 2006, the LA Times reported that Baca had sent additional deputies to Compton because of the high crime rate there.

In any event, I live far away from Compton, thankfully.

Losing Compton Station will not effect the number of patrol units in unincorporated areas of the county one way or the other......the unincorporated areas are the 'red headed stepchild' when it comes to resources.........for example, SCV station has ONE 2-man car on PM shift covering the west end unincorporated area of SCV along the I-5 area from the Newhall Pass to Gorman......

Also, SEB and OSS are specialty units, they dont count towards contract minutes for budgets anyway.........SEB doesnt do patrol most of the time (except for the occasional saturation gig)......the reason that Compton sees more of SEB and OSS is that they are doing high risk warrant services there......

[DAL]

If we eliminated all the contract cities, unincorporated areas would not be "step children." And, if specialty units don't count toward contract budgets, that means that contract cities get them for free. I would rather they patrol unincorporated areas.

[LA DEP]

If we eliminated all the contract cities, unincorporated areas would not be "step children." And, if specialty units don't count toward contract budgets, that means that contract cities get them for free. I would rather they patrol unincorporated areas.

If you eliminate the contract cities, then you also eliminate the need for 10K sworn......

around 80% of our patrol deputies work contract cities......Lennox Station is the ONLY station of 33 or so that comes to mind that covers unincorporated areas as its PRIMARY function......if we eliminate those stations, then we also eliminate around 3-5K sworn spots, as we would no longer have a need for them.

The specialty units are just that....SPECIALTY....they arent utilized as patrol units.....SEB does SWAT work, OSS/GET does gang enforcement......

Unincorporated areas will ALWAYS be under patrolled, they pay the minimum and get the minimum.........they dont pay for the services that contract cities do......the only revenue the county gets from them is through the property taxes in that area......

[ownerop]

If we eliminated all the contract cities, unincorporated areas would not be "step children." And, if specialty units don't count toward contract budgets, that means that contract cities get them for free. I would rather they patrol unincorporated areas.


Maybe you need a little civics lesson. Sheriff's dept. don't make money off of the unincorporated areas they partol, they are mandated by state law to provide law enforcement services to those areas. Contract citites on the other hand are a huge money maker for any Sheriff's dept. and because of that extra money, they are able to provide better services to the entire area they cover. If LASD only provided law enforcement to unincorporated areas, they would not be able to fund most of their other specialty divisions like they do now.

[MT2658]

Actually if the budget got that bad, then a couple of things would occur long before pay reductions.......the main one would be manpower reductions.....as in complete hiring freezes, allowing the department to save $$$$ through not having to pay for spots opened up through attrition.......they would also offer 'golden handshake' deals to encourage more of folks closer to retirement to pull the pin early......

More than a few of us here have been through some very severe budget times......it didnt hurt us that were already hired (except for the lost promotions and specialty job openings), only those trying to get hired......

You also have to realize that most departments pay/benefit packages are part of a binding MOU contract......we will simply cut positions before we cut salaries......we have done it more than once since I hired on in 1988......


have any of those times been as bad as this? it seems terrible in my opinion since im only 28 and don't have anything to compare it to.

[LA DEP]

have any of those times been as bad as this? it seems terrible in my opinion since im only 28 and don't have anything to compare it to.

The early 90s was worse for us (at least so far).....we were not only in a hiring freeze, but a promotion and movement freeze as well.....not to mention no raises to speak of for around 5 years or so......

That meant no new hires....no one promoting from good jobs to higher rank....no one from patrol moving to the good jobs....and no one from custody/courts going to patrol......you couldnt even change stations except through a 'body swap' with someone that wanted to trade spots with you.....

They started to talk about lay offs, but stopped that through the hiring freeze.......the money savings from not hiring to backfill spots helped.....

It is a cycle....and it seems to always be 'feast or famine'......either we are hiring like crazy (like the last couple of years) or we arent hiring at all......we are in major hiring slowdown right now......partly due to the economy, but mostly because we have filled the 2K+ empty slots we had......

[DAL]

Maybe you need a little civics lesson. Sheriff's dept. don't make money off of the unincorporated areas they partol, they are mandated by state law to provide law enforcement services to those areas. Contract citites on the other hand are a huge money maker for any Sheriff's dept. and because of that extra money, they are able to provide better services to the entire area they cover. If LASD only provided law enforcement to unincorporated areas, they would not be able to fund most of their other specialty divisions like they do now.

Your snide tone is uncalled for. Maybe you need an etiquette lesson. Insulting people with whom you disagree also does not enhance the persuasiveness of your argument.

Have you studied LASD's budget? Do you have a basis for assuming that LASD makes a profit off of contract cities, once all costs are fully allocated?

Furthermore, even assuming arguendo that LASD made a profit off of some or even most contract cities, that would not establish that the contract with Compton is profitable. Please illuminate us with the figures for that specific contract.

From the Los Angeles Times:


Archive for Wednesday, March 22, 2006
Deputies Slash Compton Crime

By Hector Becerra and Richard Winton
March 22, 2006 in print edition A-1

Twenty-two people had been killed in Compton as of this time last year, when the city was in the midst of a yearlong wave of gang violence. So far this year, the city has recorded three homicides.

The difference? Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca has quietly doubled the number of deputies, detectives and other personnel assigned to Compton in what officials and residents see as all-out attention to reducing violence.

It is not clear how long the intensified deployment will last.

“Will resources eventually be removed from Compton? Yes, they will. But I am not going to advertise it to gang members,” said Sheriff’s Capt. Mike Ford.

Compton pays the county about $14 million a year for about 78 deputies, having disbanded its own force in 2000. The Sheriff’s Department is footing the bill for the current expansion, with manpower coming from stations elsewhere in the county.

[DOAcop38]

40K a year in LA?.......

Only if you want to LIVE in Compton......and on foodstamps......

even the Comptom USD Police (School PD) doesn't work for $40K/yr !!!!!:eek:

LA DEP is right- while that $40K.yr salary is good for the young secretary who is behind the desk for 8 hrs and can take 1-2 hr lunch ,plus have weekends off- you wil be very hard pressed to get alot of eligible applicants to deal with bloody D/Vs, chase armed gangstrs like the Compton So.Side Crips or CV 70's,then put up with the IA complaints, the commute, and mental wear you'll get from wearing a uniform in a high crime city....

[Garbage Man]

Unincorporated areas will ALWAYS be under patrolled, they pay the minimum and get the minimum.........they dont pay for the services that contract cities do......the only revenue the county gets from them is through the property taxes in that area......

Man aint that the truth, I live in unincorporated Whittier (right near the academy) and I get bupkiss for service. I called the Locals once because the folks down the street were having a family fight, two hours later a single dep pulls right up in front of the house, talks to a guy who just pulled up, then drove off. Haven't called since, don't want the line of duty death on my Conscience.

I see Imachus guys way more. Maybe I should get their number.?

I wish they would offer us a chance to pay more in taxes so we'd get some patrol.

Best thing about unicorporated areas? No street sweeping cites. I watch the guy drive around my car and wave.

OH an no Compton should not get to have a PD back, they broke the toy they had, they dont get another.

[EricDel]

People complain about making 40k at my local city department and the cost of living is 10x cheaper here. I can't imagine trying to live on that with the high COL out there.

[DAL]

I am not so sure that unincorporated areas pay any less than incorporated areas. We have additional taxes for sewers, streetlights, fire, library, and mosquito abatement. And we have a private water company and private garbage collection. Our property tax rates are the same as in incorporated areas, thanks to Prop. 13. We also pay utility taxes to the County.

I think that the reason that we get less service is that the Board of Supervisors does not care -- we are just a small part of a district that contains 2 million people.

[exComptonCop]

For an effective Compton PD, you'd have to bring BACK officers who really wanted to work Compton -focussed people who could have a free hand in PROPERLY running the dept, not cronies who feel ENTITLED.

I'd like to help out, if for no other reason than "the good ole days," but I'll be long dead and buried before Compton gets it's PD back. :( For the record, I was doing it for just over 40K back in 1986[with Oscar Tango].

[TWH]

I don't see Compton getting a PD anytime soon, especially in the current economy.

My neighbor is retired Compton. He swears that Compton is coming back. One of my good friends is LASD. He really doesn't have anything nice to say about Compton. It was really interesting the last time they talked in front of my house. :D

We'll just have to see. One thing is for sure, my neighbor has some good stories.

[ownerop]

Your snide tone is uncalled for. Maybe you need an etiquette lesson. Insulting people with whom you disagree also does not enhance the persuasiveness of your argument.

Have you studied LASD's budget? Do you have a basis for assuming that LASD makes a profit off of contract cities, once all costs are fully allocated?

Furthermore, even assuming arguendo that LASD made a profit off of some or even most contract cities, that would not establish that the contract with Compton is profitable. Please illuminate us with the figures for that specific contract.

From the Los Angeles Times:


Archive for Wednesday, March 22, 2006
Deputies Slash Compton Crime

By Hector Becerra and Richard Winton
March 22, 2006 in print edition A-1

Twenty-two people had been killed in Compton as of this time last year, when the city was in the midst of a yearlong wave of gang violence. So far this year, the city has recorded three homicides.

The difference? Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca has quietly doubled the number of deputies, detectives and other personnel assigned to Compton in what officials and residents see as all-out attention to reducing violence.

It is not clear how long the intensified deployment will last.

“Will resources eventually be removed from Compton? Yes, they will. But I am not going to advertise it to gang members,” said Sheriff’s Capt. Mike Ford.

Compton pays the county about $14 million a year for about 78 deputies, having disbanded its own force in 2000. The Sheriff’s Department is footing the bill for the current expansion, with manpower coming from stations elsewhere in the county.

HISTORY & THE BIRTH OF
CONTRACT LAW ENFORCEMENT

The end of World War II marked the beginning of the aerospace industry. With large numbers of former servicemen settling in the California area, jobs were plentiful and the rapid growth of bedroom communities led to eventual incorporation efforts throughout Southern California.

The City of Lakewood incorporated in 1954, becoming the first Los Angeles community to do so since 1939. Upon incorporation, the new city was obligated by State law to begin providing municipal law enforcement services, heretofore provided by County government. Faced with burdensome capital expenditures and commensurate public indebtedness needed to finance its own police department, Lakewood looked for an alternative method to providing municipal law enforcement services at a reduced cost.

Lakewood city officials and Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department executives formulated the first Contract Law Enforcement Program. While expanded and modified in Los Angeles County, it has served as a model for many other cities throughout California and across the nation.

The intergovernmental contract system offers a wide range of services at a reduced cost, allowing each contract city to choose a level of service that best meets the needs of its community. Duplicate costs are avoided because contract cities draw upon the full potential of the Sheriffs Department, sharing support resources and paying only their proportionate "user costs." As a result of this "cost sharing" concept, contract cities can obtain an optimum level of police service for a lesser cost than would be required for them to maintain their own police department. In addition, the contract cities can draw upon the full resources of the largest Sheriffs Department in the world.

The Sheriffs Department's contract law enforcement program is not limited to municipal police services. It also includes contract law enforcement services for transit and school policing; the state funded trial courts throughout the county; and, state and federal custody operations. These contract law enforcement programs provide combined annual revenues of approximately $400 million.

[ownerop]

I am not so sure that unincorporated areas pay any less than incorporated areas. We have additional taxes for sewers, streetlights, fire, library, and mosquito abatement. And we have a private water company and private garbage collection. Our property tax rates are the same as in incorporated areas, thanks to Prop. 13. We also pay utility taxes to the County.

I think that the reason that we get less service is that the Board of Supervisors does not care -- we are just a small part of a district that contains 2 million people.

You just simply don't understand the function of contract LE. The Sheriff has no choice but to provide LE services to unincorporated areas, they are mandated by law to do it whether the area has money or not. Contract cities by law have to provide law enforcement for their city, when they incorporate part of the incorporation process requires the city to have a police dept. most new cities don't have the money so they contract with the Sheriff's dept. and most will never leave the Sheriff's dept. because of the level of service they get is far superior to what a new PD could possible provide.

[mdrdep]

DAL when the dept. formulates the rates it charges the contract cities for deputy items it figures "overhead" into that rate. That "overhead" helps pay for all the specialty items the dept. provides (K9, aero, HQ detectives, supervisors etc.). The county cars are the bare bones because the BOS won't kick down money like the cities will. If LASD lost it's contract cities it would loose a lot more than just the patrol deputies. All the special units would take hits too. In the end you would see no increase to your own areas and possibly a decrease.

As to the poster that said he would gladly work for 40k. That's great but it takes more than rookies to patrol a community. How are you going to find the experienced cops to mentor you! Trust me patrol is not a place you want to be if you got nobody that can help you out of a spot with his knowledge and experience.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

That is not what I hear. SEB and OSS spend a disproportionate amount of time in Compton. In 2006, the LA Times reported that Baca had sent additional deputies to Compton because of the high crime rate there.

In any event, I live far away from Compton, thankfully.

I've been working OSS for almost ten yrs now. You're right, Baca did send additional resources to Compton Station. That included the unincorporated areas that Cpt Sta patrols. Other stations get additional resources when there is a surge in crime or shootings also.

[LA DEP]

I've been working OSS for almost ten yrs now. You're right, Baca did send additional resources to Compton Station. That included the unincorporated areas that Cpt Sta patrols. Other stations get additional resources when there is a surge in crime or shootings also.

Didnt they send 30-40 of you guys up to AV for awhile when it was really off the hook up there?......or was that part of the Countywide Cops detail?

[Five-0fromSoCal]

Didnt they send 30-40 of you guys up to AV for awhile when it was really off the hook up there?......or was that part of the Countywide Cops detail?


I'm pretty sure that was COPS Bureau. IMO, no matter what station or city contracts with us, they get so many resources with a simple phone call. I have a family member that works Pomona PD. I would love to take them over also.

[tpc]

These contract law enforcement programs provide combined annual revenues of approximately $400 million.

I seem to recall that revenue is distinct from profit. How much money the sheriff receives from contract cities is a very different matter than whether those revenues exceed the (fully allocated) costs.

[tpc]

You just simply don't understand the function of contract LE. The Sheriff has no choice but to provide LE services to unincorporated areas, they are mandated by law to do it whether the area has money or not. Contract cities by law have to provide law enforcement for their city, when they incorporate part of the incorporation process requires the city to have a police dept. most new cities don't have the money so they contract with the Sheriff's dept. and most will never leave the Sheriff's dept. because of the level of service they get is far superior to what a new PD could possible provide.

That point is rather obvious from the fact that the contract cities have to contract for law enforcement services.

What does that have to do with whether the unincorporated areas get shortchanged with respect to law enforcement services? Unincorporated areas pay taxes that go to the county, and a portion of those taxes should pay for law-enforcement services, even though there is no separate contract.

By the way, I see nothing in DAL's posts to indicate a lack of understanding of the distinction between policing contract cities and unincorporated areas. To the contrary, he acknowledges that the sheriff gets funds from the county for policing unincorporated areas, whereas the funds for policing incorporated cities come from those cities.

It seems to me that you get your jollies by asserting that someone else is ignorant when you have a severe reading comprehension problem and do not understand basic distinctions between revenue and profit -- amazing for someone who purports to be an "ownerop" of something.

[WPD954]

I have a family member that works Pomona PD. I would love to take them over also.

It is bound to happen sooner or later ;)

[Nacho1523]

Been told by the dept and the city that the wonderful citizenry needs to vote on the issue due to the city charter.

[FJDave]

I remember that LAPD brass almost had a stroke over that!

[ownerop]

I seem to recall that revenue is distinct from profit. How much money the sheriff receives from contract cities is a very different matter than whether those revenues exceed the (fully allocated) costs.

It's not profit persay, because govt' entities are not for profit, but its increased revenue to spend on more man power and equipment; that is just obvious.

[Five-0fromSoCal]

It is bound to happen sooner or later ;)


Oh man, that would be music to a bunch of Deps ears. They've been saying this for a long time. I've been told that the city and dept are hurting pretty bad, like alot of smaller cities. I think it would be good. Radio communication and assistance from other stations would be great. Walnut Sta and San Dimas Sta are both next door. Commutes would not be bad either.

[tpc]

It's not profit persay, because govt' entities are not for profit, but its increased revenue to spend on more man power and equipment; that is just obvious.

Yes, it is more revenue, but if the additional manpower and equipment, plus the related expenses they entail (including more administrative overhead), exceed the revenue received per the contract, then the sheriff is losing money on the deal. That much is obvious, too.

Furthermore, if the sheriff diverts resources that have not been contracted for by sending those resources to a contract city that does not pay extra for them, then the unincorporated areas are being deprived of the benefit of law-enforcement services they otherwise would receive.

For example, if Compton pays LASD $20 million for law-enforcement services, but it costs LASD $21 million to provide those services (or if LASD provides $1 in extra services gratis, then LASD loses $1 million, to the detriment of those who live in unincorporated areas.

Similarly, if LASD sends OSS or another specialized unit to Compton although it is not contractually obligated to do so, when that unit otherwise would have been sent to East Los Angeles and Lennox, then the residents of East Los Angeles and Lennox are deprived of the value of those services, and funds are in effect diverted from the unincorporated areas.

[CHUCKnmnV]

Wow, LASD taking over Pomona. What was the last city that was taken over by LASD?? When that happens, do the sworn officers get to stay-now in tan and green- or are they sent to the jail/courts? And finally, why does CHP handle traffic in unincorporated areas? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.

[tpc]

Wow, LASD taking over Pomona. What was the last city that was taken over by LASD?? When that happens, do the sworn officers get to stay-now in tan and green- or are they sent to the jail/courts? And finally, why does CHP handle traffic in unincorporated areas? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.

I think Compton is the last city taken over by LASD, and Santa Fe Springs is the last city that LASD lost (to Whittier PD).

I think the deal with respect to hiring is subject to negotiation. Usually, the great majority of officers are hired by LASD, subject to backgrounds and physicals. High-level personnel may lose their jobs or be demoted.

All personnel who are hired switch to the standard LASD uniform, but the patrol cars may have the city's name and/or seal on them in addition to the LASD design.

Personnel can be reassigned throughout LASD. The terms under which this occurs may be subject to negotiation.

[richjorg]

Do you guys remember when they wanted to seperate the valley, from downtown? Never gonna fly but I read a write up on it , and the sepratist were gonna contract LASD, until it built up the new PD, over a long long period of time.

And we were gonna get much better coverage than we are currently getting by the LAPD.

[ownerop]

Yes, it is more revenue, but if the additional manpower and equipment, plus the related expenses they entail (including more administrative overhead), exceed the revenue received per the contract, then the sheriff is losing money on the deal. That much is obvious, too.

Furthermore, if the sheriff diverts resources that have not been contracted for by sending those resources to a contract city that does not pay extra for them, then the unincorporated areas are being deprived of the benefit of law-enforcement services they otherwise would receive.

For example, if Compton pays LASD $20 million for law-enforcement services, but it costs LASD $21 million to provide those services (or if LASD provides $1 in extra services gratis, then LASD loses $1 million, to the detriment of those who live in unincorporated areas.

Similarly, if LASD sends OSS or another specialized unit to Compton although it is not contractually obligated to do so, when that unit otherwise would have been sent to East Los Angeles and Lennox, then the residents of East Los Angeles and Lennox are deprived of the value of those services, and funds are in effect diverted from the unincorporated areas.

The costs do not exceed the revenue from the contracts, that is just good business practices and that is obvious too, contract cities are the life blood of the dept. Believe what you want but you are wrong; dead wrong in fact!

[tpc]

The costs do not exceed the revenue from the contracts, that is just good business practices and that is obvious too, contract cities are the life blood of the dept. Believe what you want but you are wrong; dead wrong in fact!

As usual, you cite absolutely no evidence to support your bald assertion, which continues to lump all contract cities together. Some may be profitable, but there are reasons to believe that Compton is not. Given that you have shown that you believe that any amount of revenue is profit, and you have revealed no basis for your statements, there is no reason to give any credence whatsoever to your assertions.

[ownerop]

As usual, you cite absolutely no evidence to support your bald assertion, which continues to lump all contract cities together. Some may be profitable, but there are reasons to believe that Compton is not. Given that you have shown that you believe that any amount of revenue is profit, and you have revealed no basis for your statements, there is no reason to give any credence whatsoever to your assertions.

Research it yourself if you don't believe it. I'm not here to entertain your curiosities; do your own research!