Rikers Guard 'threatens' Cop Who Gave Her Ticket

[bhavin115]

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/15084/t/RIKERS-GUARD-THREATENS-COP-WHO-GAVE-HER-TICKET.html

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

hmmi guess nycdoc better start driving very very careful

[NYSJAILER2008]

hmmi guess nycdoc better start driving very very careful
Hey what about NYSDOC???? We never gave you any attitude. Should I start taking the Bus....LOL. But seriously there are dirtbags in every agency LEO or NON-LEO. Dont blame the good officers for the actions of the bad ones. I have been car stopped by NYPD plenty of times while having violated something in the NYS VTL and have never been issuse a summons. This was in the private sector or government jobs. Why you ask? Its because I am always professional, courtious, respectful, to the on-duty Police Officer.

[kingofqueens718]

Oooh boy here we go again! This little war between DOC and NYPD seems to happen at least once a year.

[kxl77]

Hey what about NYSDOC???? We never gave you any attitude. Should I start taking the Bus....LOL. But seriously there are dirtbags in every agency LEO or NON-LEO. Dont blame the good officers for the actions of the bad ones. I have been car stopped by NYPD plenty of times while having violated something in the NYS VTL and have never been issuse a summons. This was in the private sector or government jobs. Why you ask? Its because I am always professional, courtious, respectful, to the on-duty Police Officer.

And with that attitude, everything should be work out for you. :)

[NYSJAILER2008]

And with that attitude, everything should be work out for you. :)
It always has, KXL77, But let all the professional officers (non-dirtbags) from every LEO agency continue to treat each other with respect. CO's in the streets and PO's in the jails. Agency bashing is childish. I know some NYPD officers are young and impressionable but dont be a follower be a leader and treat every car stop be it civilian or off-duty Leo on a case by case basis.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i have never ever ever had a problem the few time i have had encounters with offduty nysdoc they have always done everything possible to make me fell comfterable while conducting my stop and they always were respectful when identifying them selfs and they do not demand courtisies

[nyballer31]

Out of all the city agencies I have to deal with they are by far the worst its not even close. 8 times out of ten they will give you an attitude and suck there teeth when you ask for there Drivers License. I know they have a hard job, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it but I've dealt with correction officers from Long Island and NYS and have never run into any problems with them infact they usually make it easier for me by putting there interrior light on inside and lower all there windows, they thank me for giving them the courtesy thats not something alot of the city workers you stop will do since alot of them get upset and start up with an attitude just from being pulled over.

More and more it seems like city workers think they can't be written or shouldn't be written because they work for the city but NYC Corrections is in a league of there own.

[kingofqueens718]

Granted I haven't been on the job long but the few run ins I've had with members of the NYC DOC haven't been confrontational. Did a car stop on a DOC Captain back in the summer and he didn't let me know he was with Corrections until it was time for me to walk back to the RMP. He showed me his shield and ID, and I gave him back his stuff and told him to have a nice day. I usually show courtesy to MTA, Sanitation, NYS Courts and Correction {don't stop too many firefighters where I work at}. One thing I wish some people didn't do was say "I'm on the job" when they don't work with NYPD. Did a car stop one night and this lady tells me that she's "on the job" and a Lieutenant ...come to find out that she's a Lt. with NYS Courts.

Doesn't surprise me one bit that a female NYC DOC Captain has an attitude like that. The time I spent in DOC I could name about 10 Captains with the same nasty attitude.

[fabolous084]

I actually know this capt and it surprises even me.. Even though she is a new capt she is pretty down to earth.. If you feel better for bangin out all CO's for the bad running you had with a couple then go ahead. Grouping and prejudging I never thought was a good thing in the LE field.....

[gbotj]

Theres a few unspoken rules about the phrase 'Im on the job'.

For one, you only say 'Im on the Job' to MOS on YOUR job. If an NYPD cop is stopped by NYPD you can say 'Im on the job' if your NYPD and get stopped by NCPD you say 'Im on the job with NYPD' same with courts (using your example) the Lt should have said 'Im on the job with NYS Courts'

I particularly think 'Im on the job' should be used on car stops, if talking to other cops its fine to say. Probably best course of action on a car stop is simply saying 'Im an officer with such a such agency, heres my ID card'. Hand the ID card along with requested paperwork.

But as I said, simply saying 'Im on the job' leads the officer to believe you are talking about HIS job. Saying 'Im on the job with xxx' doesnt seem like you are leading the officer on.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

nah we just take this incident and group that with the guards at rikers who gave contraban to lee woods and the attitude you get at central booking hell lets throw the C.O. that kicked a cop and her and her mut son attacked him while answering a noise complaint at her house for me that enough reason

[gw35]

"Perps with badges". 'Nuff said.

Most of these clowns have given several officers a hard time in the past and that's not even when they're drunk.

[fabolous084]

nah we just take this incident and group that with the guards at rikers who gave contraban to lee woods and the attitude you get at central booking hell lets throw the C.O. that kicked a cop and her and her mut son attacked him while answering a noise complaint at her house for me that enough reason

Ignorance is bliss.. So if you work in china town and deal with a rash of certain crimes that means all Chinese people are like that? Judging by your response I could only imagine how you "group" blacks/Hispanics? I'm also assuming fdny are a bunch of drunks and thieves? Everyone should be treated as they deserve not because the previous person was an ******* you get your rocks off on the next man. I can dig up countless articles on nypd wrong doings but what will that prove? I guess if I thought like you all nypd would be drug dealing stealing abusing *******s, good thing I don't....

[kingofqueens718]

"Perps with badges". 'Nuff said.

Most of these clowns have given several officers a hard time in the past and that's not even when they're drunk.

How would you know? Are you LE? Have you worked for either agency....NYC DOC or NYPD?

[gbotj]

King, GW is with TBTA.

[kingofqueens718]

King, GW is with TBTA.


Well as a former city Corrections Officer that "perp with badges" rubs me the wrong way. To me it's always had racial overtones. Maybe I'll bang out a TBTA officer the next time I pull one over. If I'm not mistaken aren't TBTA peace officers just like NYC DOC?

[gbotj]

Why?

As a former Correction Officer you should know there are knuckleheads on all jobs. What one says or does should not warrant banging everyone you cross paths with. Should a job be painted with a broad brush? Absolutely not, but no need to get retribution on an internet persona who isnt even confirmed otj.

I've heard some horror stories about DOC, but also ALOT of stories where COs saved a cops life. There are plenty of great COs....plenty of crappy ones...but like I said, every job has them.

The line would rub me the wrong way too. IF I were a CO I'd be pretty damn mad after working my ***** off just to be called a perp, because some moron did something stupid.

One question though, what does peace officer status have to do with it though? TBTA is out there making car stops, collaring up, and issuing tickets just like you, if you dont like DOC to be looked down at, why look down on peace officers? Maybe it was just how I read your post, but why bash a job based on the comment by one?

[kingofqueens718]

Why?

As a former Correction Officer you should know there are knuckleheads on all jobs. What one says or does should not warrant banging everyone you cross paths with. Should a job be painted with a broad brush? Absolutely not, but no need to get retribution on an internet persona who isnt even confirmed otj.

I've heard some horror stories about DOC, but also ALOT of stories where COs saved a cops life. There are plenty of great COs....plenty of crappy ones...but like I said, every job has them.

The line would rub me the wrong way too. IF I were a CO I'd be pretty damn mad after working my ***** off just to be called a perp, because some moron did something stupid.

One question though, what does peace officer status have to do with it though? TBTA is out there making car stops, collaring up, and issuing tickets just like you, if you dont like DOC to be looked down at, why look down on peace officers? Maybe it was just how I read your post, but why bash a job based on the comment by one?

Dude if I was lucky enough to know who he was and pull him over for a traffic infraction I'd be happy to give him some "yellow paper" for that comment alone! Like I said before I always give courtesy to the city agencies I mentioned above.

As for peace officer status....I never maligned peace officers. I just made the statement that Corrections and TBTA are both peace officers. I've got no problem with peace officers.

[gbotj]

oh ok, it was probably just how I read it.

[fabolous084]

Why?

As a former Correction Officer you should know there are knuckleheads on all jobs. What one says or does should not warrant banging everyone you cross paths with. Should a job be painted with a broad brush? Absolutely not, but no need to get retribution on an internet persona who isnt even confirmed otj.

I've heard some horror stories about DOC, but also ALOT of stories where COs saved a cops life. There are plenty of great COs....plenty of crappy ones...but like I said, every job has them.

The line would rub me the wrong way too. IF I were a CO I'd be pretty damn mad after working my ***** off just to be called a perp, because some moron did something stupid.



My point exactly I take pride in anything I do and to be grouped with the bad apples ****es me off. Judge people based on their actions alone not anyone elses...

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i actually like fdny both precinct i have worked in the hose draggers have always been class acts and as long as they are respectful to me on traffic stops they will walk away with the same amount of paper they handed me corrections on the other hand i have always and i mean always hand problems with u figure u may stop one or 2 and u get the ghetto *** teeth sucking attitude from them but not EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and i have stoped alot of them. And i group blacks and hispanics like i do everyone else theres alot more good then there is bad. i have worked in predominatly black and hispanic communities and 8 out of 10 people are hard working law abiding people hell i'm even trying to have my g/f teach me spanish so i can better serve the community i work in so do u dare try and call me a racist mr fabolous u are not a cop and u never had to deal with those muts in corrections

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i actually like fdny both precinct i have worked in the hose draggers have always been class acts and as long as they are respectful to me on traffic stops they will walk away with the same amount of paper they handed me corrections on the other hand i have always and i mean always hand problems with u figure u may stop one or 2 and u get the ghetto *** teeth sucking attitude from them but not EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and i have stoped alot of them. And i group blacks and hispanics like i do everyone else theres alot more good then there is bad. i have worked in predominatly black and hispanic communities and 8 out of 10 people are hard working law abiding people hell i'm even trying to have my g/f teach me spanish so i can better serve the community i work in so how dare try and call me a racist mr fabolous u are not a cop and u never had to deal with those muts in corrections

[NYSJAILER2008]

"Perps with badges". 'Nuff said.

Most of these clowns have given several officers a hard time in the past and that's not even when they're drunk.
And what are you a stock boy with a with price sticker gun. Get a life troll

[NYCTNT]

I only had about a handful of dealings with CO's.

NYS CO's tend to be very respectful and appologize right off the bat.

NYC CO's tend to suck their teeth and ask "why you pull me over officer" right off the bat. As well as hang their shield in their hand extended out and covering their face, while looking forward and saying "im on da job".

I never wrote one and do not intend to. Same goes for all Police/Peace Officer agencies. This includes Sanitation, Parks, MTA...etc... anyone that makes this city go round and round really has to screw up to get one.

A cop is just the beginning of the process of the perp. He still has to be babysat somewhere.. and thank goodness it aint me.

[fabolous084]

i actually like fdny both precinct i have worked in the hose draggers have always been class acts and as long as they are respectful to me on traffic stops they will walk away with the same amount of paper they handed me corrections on the other hand i have always and i mean always hand problems with u figure u may stop one or 2 and u get the ghetto *** teeth sucking attitude from them but not EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and i have stoped alot of them. And i group blacks and hispanics like i do everyone else theres alot more good then there is bad. i have worked in predominatly black and hispanic communities and 8 out of 10 people are hard working law abiding people hell i'm even trying to have my g/f teach me spanish so i can better serve the community i work in so do u dare try and call me a racist mr fabolous u are not a cop and u never had to deal with those muts in corrections

You missed the point completely. I never said Corrections were saints. I just said you should judge a person on their actions alone not something someone else did. I never called you a racist I was just going off your pre Judging grouping method.. Maybe you ran into a couple bad minority's and thought they all were bad with the way you think.. PS I will be a cop when this freeze is over and I promise you I wont Judge the outcome of my ticket based on previous encounters with that persons department but how "they actually" act on the car stop itself... To each it's own...

[gbotj]

from the few NYC COs Ive known, they tend to be very dismissive and cocky. Sort of like the world owes them something. State COs have been aces in my book. Great group of officers, and very respectful.

Since NYC DOC has this reputation I agree that everything should be on an individual basis. If you have a beef, take it out with that officer. Respect, and professional courtesy is a two way street that starts with the one being stopped. Not the on duty officer. Obviously if you get an attitude then the hammers gonna be dropped.


Since firemen were brought up in this thread, I have a story. Back in the 70s my uncle who was on the job in the 110 (coronas constables) was involved in a fender bender in a very bad neighborhood in brooklyn. The car who hit him was 3 perps. My uncle pulled an FD box at the corner and a firetruck pulled up. He tinned the OIC and 3 firemen hopped off the back of the truck with axes, and waited for PD to arrive.

[SCPS PO]

I think it's a case by case basis. I've given courtesy to CO's for any number of things but never when they think they're entitled.

I had an encounter where a CO flashes a gold tin and tells me he's on the job then displays his pistol in his waistband to make his point. He then threatens to take it further if my guys didn't give him courtesy by cracking his knuckles and getting into my face and my officers face. It's safe to assume that courtesy was NOT extended.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

I think it's a case by case basis. I've given courtesy to CO's for any number of things but never when they think they're entitled.

I had an encounter where a CO flashes a gold tin and tells me he's on the job then displays his pistol in his waistband to make his point. He then threatens to take it further if my guys didn't give him courtesy by cracking his knuckles and getting into my face and my officers face. It's safe to assume that courtesy was NOT extended.

umm y was there no collar for menacing?

[STXHammer]

Since firemen were brought up in this thread, I have a story. Back in the 70s my uncle who was on the job in the 110 (coronas constables) was involved in a fender bender in a very bad neighborhood in brooklyn. The car who hit him was 3 perps. My uncle pulled an FD box at the corner and a firetruck pulled up. He tinned the OIC and 3 firemen hopped off the back of the truck with axes, and waited for PD to arrive. I'm sure that would happen today also.

[moonpatrol]

Dude if I was lucky enough to know who he was and pull him over for a traffic infraction I'd be happy to give him some "yellow paper" for that comment alone! Like I said before I always give courtesy to the city agencies I mentioned above.

As for peace officer status....I never maligned peace officers. I just made the statement that Corrections and TBTA are both peace officers. I've got no problem with peace officers.

Stop about 15 NYCDOC officers a day for three months, then draw a conclusion- TBTA officers usually do and get the exact bad attitude that is being described in this thread. Every NYPD officer I know describes the exact same behavior.

Things got so bad at some B&T that some officers now write NYCDOC- courtesy was given and was responded with complaint after complaint being lodged by NYCDOC officers that some guys said **** you....

I never have a problem when going to MCB, with ON DUTY NYCDOC, but off duty is a different story. The other thing that I have been trying to figure out is why NYCDOC are the only agency where you will regularly see officers driving around off duty in full uniform or with their shields around their necks- which usually gets immediately shoved in your face when you stop them for whatever reason.

I have never had off duty NYPD/NYSP etc. treat me like an ******* when they get stopped for a traffic infraction- they are always extremely apologetic and ID themselves in a discreet manner, realizing that if 50 civilians see you letting someone go because of a hunk of tin that they might get just a little ****ed off....

[NorwichCadet]

like the other guy said no matter if ur LEO/non LEO you should always give the officer the full respect because he's doin his job. I guarantee that woman would've gotten away with a warning if she showed respect. She probably gave him an attitude like he was all that...then there was a conflict etc etc.... and shouldn't there be criminal charges pressed? I mean she did threaten to shoot a police officer right? Doesn't matter if ur civilian or not a threat against a police officer is a threat against a police officer?

[TGD]

From a cop outside NY, I have say there is a LOT of anger!! Mutual respect goes a long way. If a person disrespects you then shame on them, Burn them a citation.

Where I work(RI) we had an off duty NYPD officer at an event. He wanted to get close with an aunt that was sickly and we assisted!!! Why??? You are all brothers!! Green, yellow, black or orange!!! Treat every and all situation with their on merit!! why?? Everyone of our brothers deserves a chance to show they are truly A BROTHER!!!

[nycop]

Guess we simpilify things in Upstate NY, on the job means your in Law enforcement in some fashion. I've never thought that when thats been said to me that the person better be talking about my dept.
Respect, courstey and proper paperwork have always been enough.

[PTLovesMe81]

I stopped quite a few off duty NYPD, FDNY, NYSP, NCPD, NYS DOC and NYC corrections in the past 6 months. I never had one bad incident until two female NYC CO's blew 2 red lights right in front of a marked RMP about a month ago and then gave an attitude when we stopped them.

I happened to be drving my sarge that day and she gave them enough lip service for both of us. She asked me if I wanted to write them and I didnt know if I should or not.

I didn't write them, but I thought it was so disrespectful to take 2 lights when you KNOW there is a marked car behind you, I seriously considered it.

[JdotB]

Quick question a bit off subject....If a person were to take the exam for NYPD and NYC DOC at the same week/month and score similar on both, would it be quicker to be hired as NYPD or NYC DOC?

[gbotj]

that all depends, DOC usually has an academy class every 4 months or so, and the process is basically the same as NYPD.

[kingofqueens718]

Quick question a bit off subject....If a person were to take the exam for NYPD and NYC DOC at the same week/month and score similar on both, would it be quicker to be hired as NYPD or NYC DOC?

Definitely DOC...fewer applicants.

[JdotB]

Definitely DOC...fewer applicants.

Yeah but they hire less too, so wouldn't it balance out?

[kingofqueens718]

Yeah but they hire less too, so wouldn't it balance out?


In my case a few years ago I went from taking the exam {6/17} to starting the academy {11/9} in about 5 months.

[JdotB]

In my case a few years ago I went from taking the exam {6/17} to starting the academy {11/9} in about 5 months.
Oh wow...I might even take a walk-in exam this week.

I'm moving to NYC in August and I want to pretty much have a job lined up and ready within a month or two.

I really want to do NYPD academy in January 2010, but I wouldn't doubt if I start July 2010. Question tho...say if I get hired as NYC DOC AND start in September 09. Then I start NYPD academy in July 2010...Would the 10 months that I have on NYC DOC lateral transfer over to NYPD?

[kingofqueens718]

Oh wow...I might even take a walk-in exam this week.

I'm moving to NYC in August and I want to pretty much have a job lined up and ready within a month or two.

I really want to do NYPD academy in January 2010, but I wouldn't doubt if I start July 2010. Question tho...say if I get hired as NYC DOC AND start in September 09. Then I start NYPD academy in July 2010...Would the 10 months that I have on NYC DOC lateral transfer over to NYPD?

The time transfers over to NYPD...but on the back. Let's say you do 20 years in NYPD and retire...you'd have a 20 year 10 month pension. In my case how ever many years I do with NYPD my year plus with DOC is added on to my pension.

[JdotB]

The time transfers over to NYPD...but on the back. Let's say you do 20 years in NYPD and retire...you'd have a 20 year 10 month pension. In my case how ever many years I do with NYPD my year plus with DOC is added on to my pension.
So if you do 1 year at DOC, then you must do 20 at NYPD to retire, and not 19? But, your pension will count as 21 years?

Seems okay for me...I know that I wouldn't like DOC and would leave the second NYPD starts up, but it's something.

Taking a walk-in tomorrow or Tuesday.

[kingofqueens718]

So if you do 1 year at DOC, then you must do 20 at NYPD to retire, and not 19? But, your pension will count as 21 years?

Seems okay for me...I know that I wouldn't like DOC and would leave the second NYPD starts up, but it's something.

Taking a walk-in tomorrow or Tuesday.

I could do 19 if I like

[DOAcop38]

From a cop outside NY, I have say there is a LOT of anger!! Mutual respect goes a long way. If a person disrespects you then shame on them, Burn them a citation.

Where I work(RI) we had an off duty NYPD officer at an event. He wanted to get close with an aunt that was sickly and we assisted!!! Why??? You are all brothers!! Green, yellow, black or orange!!! Treat every and all situation with their on merit!! why?? Everyone of our brothers deserves a chance to show they are truly A BROTHER!!!

DITTO!! Here in Ca. you just Don't dick over another copper, unless he/she is "off the proverbial farm"( committed a crime, or just plain out and out stupid).Here - all one needs do is drop the dime to that officers dept ,and -even at the few "locals only" depts , that officer is SOL and facing stiff discipline.

Even our LAPD brethren -POST Chief Parks ,KNOW better than get disrespectful and pull that "billy- badazz" rountine they used to do to outside CA PDs. We tend to need each other and work together better here( you can end up in a pursuit and be OUTSIDE of your city and jurisdiction in a matter of minutes, and sometimes its that "other PD" or Sheriffs that will be your back up !)

I find it funny to hear this NYPD VS._____________( fill in the blanks) B.S ,especially when the City itself is HALF the size of the city I work for (L.A. ) ,folks are cramped up alot closer there, and alot of your coppers DON'T even live in the same city they work for( meaning they WILL run into Police officers of other jurisdictions off duty). "on the job" is a generic term,as far as I see it.

A cop from San Francisco,CA, Oregon, Colorado or even NJ could walk up to me and "say it",then show his ID-unless he's committing a crime( and a T/Stop isn't a crime to me) he gets kid gloves.But from reading some of the posts, NYPD guys get all bent out of shape if they have to acknowledge anyone in their jurisdiction as being a fellow police officer,akin to an attitude that they are MORE cop than anyone else( good luck with that!)

reminds me of the time I was in NJ in the late '90s with an ex-girlfriend.Had just witnessed a domestic and went to give wit info to the to sloppiest and grungiest cops I've ever seen- as soon as I id'ed myself and explained to them what I saw , instead of telling me to "wait" or politely take my info, the fatter one snatched my i'd,"fish eyed it", then snorted,"this ain't L.A. don't bother us"- REEEAALLL professionals there,as all they seemed to want to do is "kiss off" what should have been a decent arrest!

If this bothers some of you, go to your respective unions, eerrrr "PBA's" and tell them to send a courtesy memo out to other depts( via their "PBAs") to maintain respectful contact and courtesy.I bet that the CO that gave tha NYPD officer a hard time ,probably has the same "I'm better than you attitude" ,and its just plain wrong also............

[nyc1219]

DITTO!! Here in Ca. you just Don't dick over another copper, unless he/she is "off the proverbial farm"( committed a crime, or just plain out and out stupid).Here - all one needs do is drop the dime to that officers dept ,and -even at the few "locals only" depts , that officer is SOL and facing stiff discipline.

Even our LAPD brethren -POST Chief Parks ,KNOW better than get disrespectful and pull that "billy- badazz" rountine they used to do to outside CA PDs. We tend to need each other and work together better here( you can end up in a pursuit and be OUTSIDE of your city and jurisdiction in a matter of minutes, and sometimes its that "other PD" or Sheriffs that will be your back up !)

I find it funny to hear this NYPD VS._____________( fill in the blanks) B.S ,especially when the City itself is HALF the size of the city I work for (L.A. ) ,folks are cramped up alot closer there, and alot of your coppers DON'T even live in the same city they work for( meaning they WILL run into Police officers of other jurisdictions off duty). "on the job" is a generic term,as far as I see it.

A cop from San Francisco,CA, Oregon, Colorado or even NJ could walk up to me and "say it",then show his ID-unless he's committing a crime( and a T/Stop isn't a crime to me) he gets kid gloves.But from reading some of the posts, NYPD guys get all bent out of shape if they have to acknowledge anyone in their jurisdiction as being a fellow police officer,akin to an attitude that they are MORE cop than anyone else( good luck with that!)

reminds me of the time I was in NJ in the late '90s with an ex-girlfriend.Had just witnessed a domestic and went to give wit info to the to sloppiest and grungiest cops I've ever seen- as soon as I id'ed myself and explained to them what I saw , instead of telling me to "wait" or politely take my info, the fatter one snatched my i'd,"fish eyed it", then snorted,"this ain't L.A. don't bother us"- REEEAALLL professionals there,as all they seemed to want to do is "kiss off" what should have been a decent arrest!

If this bothers some of you, go to your respective unions, eerrrr "PBA's" and tell them to send a courtesy memo out to other depts( via their "PBAs") to maintain respectful contact and courtesy.I bet that the CO that gave tha NYPD officer a hard time ,probably has the same "I'm better than you attitude" ,and its just plain wrong also............

cant sleep huh?

what are you rambling about?

[NYCTNT]

I thought I was the only one who was lost at that ramble.

Noone said anything about NYPD looking down upon another LEO. This is far from the fact, although I cannot comment on every single cop out in the field. We are 35,000 strong, we have all kinds of personalities and work habits within the NYPD, it is only natural to bump into a "jerk" once in a while.

It gets very annoying after a while when you have security guards saying "im on the job" during a traffic stop... to... sanitation employees saying it as well.

Hate, NO. Annoyed, yes.

[JP7607]

Hey NYCTNT. Did a security guard really say?, "I'm on the job."

[NYCTNT]

I have had MTA bus drivers say it, garbage men say it, security guards and even the mail man say "im on the job".

If you work in the city, you will understand the frustration a little better.

I always ask "What job is that?", at which point a postal service ID card comes out(or other occupation).

[nyc1219]

i was driving my buddies car one night and got pulled over (tints were way too dark). i roll down all the windows turn the car off turn on the inside lights put the keys on the dash and kept my hands on the wheel. the officers walking up to the car had their guns out and look very uneasy. it was at this point when they came to the window did i tell them i was on the job (aux po) and that i was going to slowly reach for my wallet with my left hand. once i said that he was much calmer and the gun went back on his belt. thats the only time i used it. altho ive been yelled at for not saying anything when stopped by cops (i guess they can see it when they run your name)

[gbotj]

you sure its when they run your name or the giant city of new york throwing star + ID in your wallet? (just busting balls).

btw, occupations or volunteer work does not come up...AFAIK.

[nyc1219]

i dont carry my badge, and my ID is the last thing in my wallet. i was told that when an MOS's name is ran (ie car stop) it will show on the comp. a buddy of mine has walked away from sooo many tickets with out even showing his ID or tin...

[kingofqueens718]

I don't believe that's true. When a client ID is run in a RMP or on the radio the only info that's given back is the validity {valid or suspended} of the license.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

yea i've run my self b4 and nonething comes up that i'm a cop

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

yea i've run my self b4 and nonething comes up that i'm a cop

[nyc1219]

thanks for the info

[Marxdaman29]

I'm Glad this thread changed to name checks.... LOL

[NYSFI39]

I never heard of specifying which agency you are "on the job" with but makes sense to some degree I guess, especially if they're not cops. On the occasions that I get stopped, I usually just say, "I'm a cop and I'm armed, what do you want me to do?" Leaves little to the imagination I hope.

I certainly didn't mind one dark night when I was dealing with a drunk homeless guy on the side of an equally dark road, when an off duty DEA agent jumped out his car and yelled "I'm on the job, need any help?"(I didn't but it probably looked like I did since I was trying (and failing) to get him to stand up.)

I've never stopped a NYCDOC member but one or two NYSDOCs guys have had attitudes with us-one had more than 10 suspensions on his license and asked why we were treating a "brother officer" like that (locking him up), but they're the exception, most are very courteous and polite. As said previously, every job has it's buttheads.

Overall, there have been no more helpful people than the NYPD to me, every time I have gone to them for help of some kind they couldn't do enough for me, be it assisting on a warrant arrest or just locating an address. Plus I enjoy the usual "how many cops do you guys have" banter, it took me awhile to explain to one guy that I meant 45, as in less than 50, not 4500! He said, "there's more than 45 people in this building right now!" I think he flat out did not believe me when I said we covered 40 square miles! Oh, the joys of small town policing.

[BKSDON]

i actually like fdny both precinct i have worked in the hose draggers have always been class acts and as long as they are respectful to me on traffic stops they will walk away with the same amount of paper they handed me corrections on the other hand i have always and i mean always hand problems with u figure u may stop one or 2 and u get the ghetto *** teeth sucking attitude from them but not EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM and i have stoped alot of them. And i group blacks and hispanics like i do everyone else theres alot more good then there is bad. i have worked in predominatly black and hispanic communities and 8 out of 10 people are hard working law abiding people hell i'm even trying to have my g/f teach me spanish so i can better serve the community i work in so how dare try and call me a racist mr fabolous u are not a cop and u never had to deal with those muts in corrections

your a piece Of sh*t... having family on both ends of the table you should be a shamed of the bs that is coming out of your mouth... ghetto***sucking... this is very derogatory... i guess you must be from the ghetto if you suck your teeth... NYC is one place with many different agencies... why cant the PBA and COBA combine as one union... its working in upstate NY... THERES ALWAYS THIS COMPETITION BS... BOTH JOBS ARE HARD... BOTH JOBS ARE STRESSFUL... BOTH JOBS REQUIRE TEAMWORK.... THERE SHOULD BE NO BEEF BETWEEN OUR TWO AGENCIES...!!! WERE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM... FYI WE CO'S ALSO MAKE MANY RE-ARRESTS KEEP THAT IN MIND...

[Arms & Hammers]

yep....it does sound like some racist BS when you say (Ghetto *** teeth sucking attitude) and (those muts). Who are you guys referring to? I ask someone on this forum what a MUT was and this is what they said:

The moochers. The ones on welfare who have no desire to get off welfare. Those who work the system over just for a free buck. Those that have more kids in order to receive just that extra little dough. They are the ones that drain the resources, and are the ones who should not be on welfare. These people are lower than rats, because at least rats work to find food.

Well a C.O. has a job so I'm not sure what that word suppose to mean.I know a lot of them are rude and a lot of them are Black and yes.... some need to be more professional but as a police officer(Civil Servant) your job is to protect and serve and keep the peace. Believe me there's some cops that need a attitude adjustment.Black,White,and Hispanic.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

umm muts is always a term thats been used to describe perps whether they are white black hispanic or whatever same as perp or skel.....and im not racist i hate everyone that sucks there teeth and rolls there eyes at me just cause im doing my job....and yea C.O.s have a rough job or whateva being locked up with the animals for 8hrs a day all im saying is they should not be giving a police officer the same attitude a perp would give an officer

[Arms & Hammers]

umm muts is always a term thats been used to describe perps whether they are white black hispanic or whatever same as perp or skel.....and im not racist i hate everyone that sucks there teeth and rolls there eyes at me just cause im doing my job....and yea C.O.s have a rough job or whateva being locked up with the animals for 8hrs a day all im saying is they should not be giving a police officer the same attitude a perp would give an officer

I understand your point.I would probably hate it too,But its bad when you get stopped and say I'm a C.O. and a cop writes you one just because.

[JOEQUEENSNY]

who this clown saying NYCDOC are "perps with badges" what an IDIOT. DOC is a harder process then NYPD. I took the two exams on the same day NYPD called me in 3 weeks(99)...almost a year later and DOC still hasnt called me(99)...the DOC test was harder and they are hiring less people which makes it easier to focus on candidates. The only thing thats different is that DOC might let alittle Life experience pass through BECAUSE of the element your dealing with in rikers. NYPD is trying to hire button up nerds whom I would never want watching my back in the street in a heated confrontation they dont do a REAL backround check its all ADMINISTRATIVE. Ill tell you who becomes cops in this city little geeks that got abused there whole lives who want to make believe they are tough when they pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt. Back in the 80's more then half these little nerdy cops wouldnt have lasted a minute in east NY Brooklyn or the South Bronx. NYPD used to be blue collar heros now they are trying to turn it into white collar nonsense job. Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be. I turned down the July 08 academy (NYPD) for a few reasons but the main one was this; three guys I know that are cops from my neighborhood are the wierdest, non confrontational loners who sat in their house and played video games...never came out for sports, never hung out, and never had a group of people they called friends. Thats your police department NY so stop with the BS. the NYPD is the least tough in NY, Sanitation is tougher then the NYPD. My other good friend who is a cop for 8 years would agree 100% you are a bunch of ticketmaids with guns...if you want to write tickets all day, have the media on your ***, and every once in awhile shoot an unarmed black guy, join today ... 212 RECRUIT

and NO im not a CO I work for the BOE and I will be going to corrections when they call

[soon2retire]

O-kay so you turned down PD because 3 jerks you know from the neighborhood are cops??

[kingofqueens718]

who this clown saying NYCDOC are "perps with badges" what an IDIOT. DOC is a harder process then NYPD. I took the two exams on the same day NYPD called me in 3 weeks(99)...almost a year later and DOC still hasnt called me(99)...the DOC test was harder and they are hiring less people which makes it easier to focus on candidates. The only thing thats different is that DOC might let alittle Life experience pass through BECAUSE of the element your dealing with in rikers. NYPD is trying to hire button up nerds whom I would never want watching my back in the street in a heated confrontation they dont do a REAL backround check its all ADMINISTRATIVE. Ill tell you who becomes cops in this city little geeks that got abused there whole lives who want to make believe they are tough when they pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt. Back in the 80's more then half these little nerdy cops wouldnt have lasted a minute in east NY Brooklyn or the South Bronx. NYPD used to be blue collar heros now they are trying to turn it into white collar nonsense job. Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be. I turned down the July 08 academy (NYPD) for a few reasons but the main one was this; three guys I know that are cops from my neighborhood are the wierdest, non confrontational loners who sat in their house and played video games...never came out for sports, never hung out, and never had a group of people they called friends. Thats your police department NY so stop with the BS. the NYPD is the least tough in NY, Sanitation is tougher then the NYPD. My other good friend who is a cop for 8 years would agree 100% you are a bunch of ticketmaids with guns...if you want to write tickets all day, have the media on your ***, and every once in awhile shoot an unarmed black guy, join today ... 212 RECRUIT

and NO im not a CO I work for the BOE and I will be going to corrections when they call


Wow Joe! Tell us how you really feel. Hope you like workin on the island when you get the call.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

i thought it was perps with guns?

[gw35]

who this clown saying NYCDOC are "perps with badges" what an IDIOT. DOC is a harder process then NYPD. I took the two exams on the same day NYPD called me in 3 weeks(99)...almost a year later and DOC still hasnt called me(99)...the DOC test was harder and they are hiring less people which makes it easier to focus on candidates. The only thing thats different is that DOC might let alittle Life experience pass through BECAUSE of the element your dealing with in rikers. NYPD is trying to hire button up nerds whom I would never want watching my back in the street in a heated confrontation they dont do a REAL backround check its all ADMINISTRATIVE. Ill tell you who becomes cops in this city little geeks that got abused there whole lives who want to make believe they are tough when they pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt. Back in the 80's more then half these little nerdy cops wouldnt have lasted a minute in east NY Brooklyn or the South Bronx. NYPD used to be blue collar heros now they are trying to turn it into white collar nonsense job. Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be. I turned down the July 08 academy (NYPD) for a few reasons but the main one was this; three guys I know that are cops from my neighborhood are the wierdest, non confrontational loners who sat in their house and played video games...never came out for sports, never hung out, and never had a group of people they called friends. Thats your police department NY so stop with the BS. the NYPD is the least tough in NY, Sanitation is tougher then the NYPD. My other good friend who is a cop for 8 years would agree 100% you are a bunch of ticketmaids with guns...if you want to write tickets all day, have the media on your ***, and every once in awhile shoot an unarmed black guy, join today ... 212 RECRUIT

and NO im not a CO I work for the BOE and I will be going to corrections when they call

And you're calling me a clown and an idiot..... with this type of post - WTF??? :confused: :rolleyes:

[madcat816]

isn't it obvious?

he's speaking from first hand experience
3 cops from Queens, new title of a book

" In a world, where 3 cops from Queens represent a department of over 35 thousand... "

[JOEQUEENSNY]

ive lived in NY my whole life and ive watched the NYPD go from hero to zero. 3 guys from queens are only 3 of the MANY cops I know...I have LEO's through out my whole family and they agree; cops today are pathetic...geeks with guns.

mock everything thats posted ... but you go pull someone over for using a cellphone...and get exploited and USED by the city to make money, and ill go secure the city from its most dangerous criminals. jackass

[gbotj]

it must be nice living in La La land.

[cbioc329]

who do you think gets the cities most dangerous criminals put in there for you to secure?.....Yup it's the "geeks with guns"

[nyc1219]

isn't it obvious?

he's speaking from first hand experience
3 cops from Queens, new title of a book

" In a world, where 3 cops from Queens represent a department of over 35 thousand... "
...only 1 C.O. can make a difference

lol too much

[Arms & Hammers]

The point is that some people on here talk about the NYCD like the job and everyone that works there sucks. Not True.... Everyone has an opinion but you might discourage people from applying.As for "PERPS WITH GUNS" that's ridiculous.So everyone that a cop pulls over that has a attitude and sucks their teeth is a perp,ghetto or what ever? Uh.... you guys need to wake up. You work for New York City where most people have a bad attitude. The only people that are nice to cops are people with respect for the police and people who are scared of the police.A person doesn't have to be nice to you just because your a Police Officer.Just like you don't have to be a @ss h*le just because your a Police Officer.

[kingofqueens718]

ive lived in NY my whole life and ive watched the NYPD go from hero to zero. 3 guys from queens are only 3 of the MANY cops I know...I have LEO's through out my whole family and they agree; cops today are pathetic...geeks with guns.

mock everything thats posted ... but you go pull someone over for using a cellphone...and get exploited and USED by the city to make money, and ill go secure the city from its most dangerous criminals. jackass

If you get on with DOC and work on Rikers for a few months don't let me come on here reading about you thinking about makin the move over to PD. You hate PD and PO's so much I'm surprised u took the test in the first place. Have fun sittin on an A or B post for the next 20 yrs.

[nyballer31]

Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be.



I'll be the first to admit there is no unity on my job, but if you think there is "brotherhood" in the DOC you have another thing coming. You probably have more brotherhood in Sanitation then you do there.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

The point is that some people on here talk about the NYCD like the job and everyone that works there sucks. Not True.... Everyone has an opinion but you might discourage people from applying.As for "PERPS WITH GUNS" that's ridiculous.So everyone that a cop pulls over that has a attitude and sucks their teeth is a perp,ghetto or what ever? Uh.... you guys need to wake up. You work for New York City where most people have a bad attitude. The only people that are nice to cops are people with respect for the police and people who are scared of the police.A person doesn't have to be nice to you just because your a Police Officer.Just like you don't have to be a @ss h*le just because your a Police Officer.
the whole point of this thread was that a nycdoc captian threaten to kill a police officer in traffic court.....now idk about you but to me that is utter insanity.....how could one leo threaten to murder another leo in court over a stinking b summons...and yes its true cops are not liked by alot of people but what we are talking about is one leo breaking the law and expecting a break but giving the same attitude the perps give us on the street....i dont know where you come from but in my book thats unacceptable one leo should never disrespect another leo and give them grief while doing a traffic stop which all cops know is one of the most dangerous thing we do on a daily basis on this job...i am cordial and pleasant to every other leo i come across may if be state federal or local police agency or dept of corrections...all most guys are saying here is that in far to many instances where nypd has had traffic stops where the drive was nycdoc they have gotten nothing but disrespect and discourtesy from people that are leo's

[gunslash]

who this clown saying NYCDOC are "perps with badges" what an IDIOT. DOC is a harder process then NYPD. I took the two exams on the same day NYPD called me in 3 weeks(99)...almost a year later and DOC still hasnt called me(99)...the DOC test was harder and they are hiring less people which makes it easier to focus on candidates. The only thing thats different is that DOC might let alittle Life experience pass through BECAUSE of the element your dealing with in rikers. NYPD is trying to hire button up nerds whom I would never want watching my back in the street in a heated confrontation they dont do a REAL backround check its all ADMINISTRATIVE. Ill tell you who becomes cops in this city little geeks that got abused there whole lives who want to make believe they are tough when they pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt. Back in the 80's more then half these little nerdy cops wouldnt have lasted a minute in east NY Brooklyn or the South Bronx. NYPD used to be blue collar heros now they are trying to turn it into white collar nonsense job. Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be. I turned down the July 08 academy (NYPD) for a few reasons but the main one was this; three guys I know that are cops from my neighborhood are the wierdest, non confrontational loners who sat in their house and played video games...never came out for sports, never hung out, and never had a group of people they called friends. Thats your police department NY so stop with the BS. the NYPD is the least tough in NY, Sanitation is tougher then the NYPD. My other good friend who is a cop for 8 years would agree 100% you are a bunch of ticketmaids with guns...if you want to write tickets all day, have the media on your ***, and every once in awhile shoot an unarmed black guy, join today ... 212 RECRUIT

and NO im not a CO I work for the BOE and I will be going to corrections when they call


haha and your opinions mean absolutely squat, because at the end of the day you're neither a PO nor a CO....
and you're what...a janitor for the board of Ed? now that's a tough tough job, you've got to be ex-special forces to qualify for that one I bet...

[fabolous084]

the whole point of this thread was that a nycdoc captian threaten to kill a police officer in traffic court.....now idk about you but to me that is utter insanity.....how could one leo threaten to murder another leo in court over a stinking b summons...and yes its true cops are not liked by alot of people but what we are talking about is one leo breaking the law and expecting a break but giving the same attitude the perps give us on the street....i dont know where you come from but in my book thats unacceptable one leo should never disrespect another leo and give them grief while doing a traffic stop which all cops know is one of the most dangerous thing we do on a daily basis on this job...i am cordial and pleasant to every other leo i come across may if be state federal or local police agency or dept of corrections...all most guys are saying here is that in far to many instances where nypd has had traffic stops where the drive was nycdoc they have gotten nothing but disrespect and discourtesy from people that are leo's

Actually I spoke with that captain a couple days ago. The story didn't play out as the paper posted and they screwed her words around. The funny part of this whole situation is the capt doesn't even own a firearm. You know the city papers arent to leo friendly....

[fabolous084]

who this clown saying NYCDOC are "perps with badges" what an IDIOT. DOC is a harder process then NYPD. I took the two exams on the same day NYPD called me in 3 weeks(99)...almost a year later and DOC still hasnt called me(99)...the DOC test was harder and they are hiring less people which makes it easier to focus on candidates. The only thing thats different is that DOC might let alittle Life experience pass through BECAUSE of the element your dealing with in rikers. NYPD is trying to hire button up nerds whom I would never want watching my back in the street in a heated confrontation they dont do a REAL backround check its all ADMINISTRATIVE. Ill tell you who becomes cops in this city little geeks that got abused there whole lives who want to make believe they are tough when they pull someone over for not wearing a seatbelt. Back in the 80's more then half these little nerdy cops wouldnt have lasted a minute in east NY Brooklyn or the South Bronx. NYPD used to be blue collar heros now they are trying to turn it into white collar nonsense job. Dont be mad because the DOC is still that brotherhood, tough, no-nonsense job that NYPD used to be. I turned down the July 08 academy (NYPD) for a few reasons but the main one was this; three guys I know that are cops from my neighborhood are the wierdest, non confrontational loners who sat in their house and played video games...never came out for sports, never hung out, and never had a group of people they called friends. Thats your police department NY so stop with the BS. the NYPD is the least tough in NY, Sanitation is tougher then the NYPD. My other good friend who is a cop for 8 years would agree 100% you are a bunch of ticketmaids with guns...if you want to write tickets all day, have the media on your ***, and every once in awhile shoot an unarmed black guy, join today ... 212 RECRUIT

and NO im not a CO I work for the BOE and I will be going to corrections when they call

This right here is a bit out of touch....

[PTLovesMe81]

ive lived in NY my whole life and ive watched the NYPD go from hero to zero. 3 guys from queens are only 3 of the MANY cops I know...I have LEO's through out my whole family and they agree; cops today are pathetic...geeks with guns.

mock everything thats posted ... but you go pull someone over for using a cellphone...and get exploited and USED by the city to make money, and ill go secure the city from its most dangerous criminals. jackass

Yup... you can do that... secure those really bad criminals.

Good story... last night, I stop a car for making a u turn right in front of traffic that had to jam on their brakes. As he is pulling over he throws a NYCDOC Parking Permit on the dashboard. When I ask for his license and reg, he tells me its a corrections officers car, but he wasn't a co.... I'll spare you the details but once this guy was in cuffs he told me he just did 10 years for conspiracy, is on parole, wearing an ankle monitor because he isn't supposed to leave his house, and i should let him go from his four suspensions because the guy who's car he took was a corrections officer and a good friend of his. You guessed it... they met right on that cell block.

so JOEQUEENSNY, It sounds like you got a ticket for talking on your cell phone or not wearing your seatbelt and now hate us because of it. Am I right?

[carlgotti]

If you treat everyone you stop as an individual , and base weather or not to use discretion on the person in front of you as opposed to the id he/she shows that is the smart thing to do. When I worked on rikers as a co I worked with great officers minority and white who I could not imagine giving any officers who pulled them over a hard time. And I worked with allot of *******s who again both minority and white who acted like asses when they were pulled over. So if you don't generalize then you can bang the *******s and give the good co's a break you will see that 9 out of 10 are pretty cool and deserve a break. And Im sure this could apply to NYS court, TBTA and so on. Corrections is a hard enough job and deserves allot of respect very few people will ever know what its like to walk a tier, work a dorm. I had the pleasure of working the 12M unit on GRVC with 9 cells of the worst rikers has to offer including lee woods and much worse he is not even close to the worst. and before any moron says anything he never got anything from my partner or I that was not mandated by doc, my partner and I were not even investigated at all. And the last thing I needed going home was to worry about PD looking to bang cos for some nonsense. And now being a PO I will follow my own advice and treat everyone as they deserve

[Jayc6018]

My next door neighbor who's a City corrections officer said that we PAPD are not real cops. I told him look up in the cpl 1.20 sec 34 (k), of course he didn't know what I was talking about. He even said that we don't carry off duty, I told him it must really suck being in corrections huh? he was literally going out of his way trying to belittle my job. Ehhh whatever

[gbotj]

c'mon everyone knows 8-2s are cops!

Jay, he was jealous. Everyone knows about PAPD. I would have just laughed at him.

[Arms & Hammers]

the whole point of this thread was that a nycdoc captian threaten to kill a police officer in traffic court.....now idk about you but to me that is utter insanity.....how could one leo threaten to murder another leo in court over a stinking b summons...and yes its true cops are not liked by alot of people but what we are talking about is one leo breaking the law and expecting a break but giving the same attitude the perps give us on the street....i dont know where you come from but in my book thats unacceptable one leo should never disrespect another leo and give them grief while doing a traffic stop which all cops know is one of the most dangerous thing we do on a daily basis on this job...i am cordial and pleasant to every other leo i come across may if be state federal or local police agency or dept of corrections...all most guys are saying here is that in far to many instances where nypd has had traffic stops where the drive was nycdoc they have gotten nothing but disrespect and discourtesy from people that are leo's

Well I'm from the land of Respect and Honesty.A threat to anyone is wrong. WE KNOW THAT.....The thread changed to NYC DOC officers being MUTS and ATTITUDE GHETTO TEETH SUCKERS. I don't like the way that sounds...

[Jayc6018]

c'mon everyone knows 8-2s are cops!

Jay, he was jealous. Everyone knows about PAPD. I would have just laughed at him.

Yeah I'm sure he knows, he was being a real jackass. He hasn't even qualified to carry a fire arm yet and he's talking smack

[gbotj]

just shrug it off brother, how are you doing in the academy?

[Jayc6018]

just shrug it off brother, how are you doing in the academy?

12 weeks in 13 to go lol

[gbotj]

lol, nice man. Wow really flying by! 12 weeks already.

Well keep up the good work, and good luck.

[JOEQUEENSNY]

your telling me about ONE siutation of a guy who WASNT a CO he just supposedly knew one??

listen lets not talk about the CHARACTER of the two departments because i have NEVER heard of a NYCDOC member shooting an unarmed civilian. I have heard of NYPD officers doing that on MANY occations. There was a case of an NYPD officer caught on the corner selling dime bags of marajuana. the baton in the *** cases, the NYPD Rapist or the cop on the job for years using his authority to rape women - remember that one? GOOGLE IT how about the cops involved in the gambino crimes? the list goes on and on and on and on ...so as far as character ... put some toilet paper in your mouth because Im hearing alot of BS


Im not saying CO's are angels. and Im not saying ALL of NYPD is bad, Im saying the JOB itself as an NYPD officer is HIRING a different TYPE of person then they used to. what YOUR saying is ..."Im a cop, I pulled over this guy randomly (even though thats illegal) and Im tough...CO's arent real officers, they are perps...blah blah blah."

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

when was the last time a CO had to make a judgement call in the time span of half a second on a street in east ny brownsville or the south bronx? thats right never cause CO's get the benefit of a controled eviroment PO's dont....and like you said everyone hates cops so everytime one of the 1% of the *******s that are on our job does something stupid it makes the paper...do ur self a favor next time u get robbed or ur home gets broken into or assualted call a CO and see how fast the come to help ya since u think all of us cops are such pussies

[fabolous084]

when was the last time a CO had to make a judgement call in the time span of half a second on a street in east ny brownsville or the south bronx? thats right never cause CO's get the benefit of a controled eviroment PO's dont....and like you said everyone hates cops so everytime one of the 1% of the *******s that are on our job does something stupid it makes the paper...do ur self a favor next time u get robbed or ur home gets broken into or assualted call a CO and see how fast the come to help ya since u think all of us cops are such pussies

To say it's not possible for a co to make a judgment call I would say is wrong. Inmates don't stay in jail they get sick have court ect. As for as being a controlled environment we try our best we can but that is always not the case, **** happens. When you cuff a perp would you say he's controlled with no means of harming you or another? Being a cop is def a tough job and possibly you might have to make some tough quick decisions but I don't know why we are always comparing apples to oranges. Anyway I'm not defending what joe because I don't agree with him at all. I just don't like to see people talking which they know nothing about.

[falcon]

How about the CO's that provided weapons and sexual favors to a cop killer in there custody recently?
If your saying that the NYPD has lower hiring standards then the NYC Corrections I'd recheck your info. NYPD standards are low but not nearly as low as NYC Corrections

[moonpatrol]

your telling me about ONE siutation of a guy who WASNT a CO he just supposedly knew one??

listen lets not talk about the CHARACTER of the two departments because i have NEVER heard of a NYCDOC member shooting an unarmed civilian. I have heard of NYPD officers doing that on MANY occations. There was a case of an NYPD officer caught on the corner selling dime bags of marajuana. the baton in the *** cases, the NYPD Rapist or the cop on the job for years using his authority to rape women - remember that one? GOOGLE IT how about the cops involved in the gambino crimes? the list goes on and on and on and on ...so as far as character ... put some toilet paper in your mouth because Im hearing alot of BS


Im not saying CO's are angels. and Im not saying ALL of NYPD is bad, Im saying the JOB itself as an NYPD officer is HIRING a different TYPE of person then they used to. what YOUR saying is ..."Im a cop, I pulled over this guy randomly (even though thats illegal) and Im tough...CO's arent real officers, they are perps...blah blah blah."

No- you just have NYCDOC officers smuggling contraband to cop killers under their watch.

You need to get your head out of your ***, you ever think just MAYBE NYDOC doesn't get involved in shooting "unarmed civilians" because they DO NOT PATROL THE STREETS, or because 90% are UNARMED while on duty? Do a little google search of your own and see all the charges brought against NYCDOC officers, before painting them as a lily white agency. Or even search the administrative law archives on nyc.gov and just type in "corrections"- you will be shocked at what you read. Just google "Dali Rikers" and read.

I respect what NYDOC officers do. But as someone who deals with them constantly when they are off duty- the majority of them have terrible attitudes when they are stopped for a violation- which was the original theme of this thread. You very rarely get the same attitude when stopping someone from NYPD/NYSP/SCPD/NCPD/PAPD/MTAPD, etc.

[gw35]

It seems like good ole' JOEQUEENSNY will fit in perfectly with a CO's off-duty attitude.

JOEQUEENSNY, is *******s like you that give all the good CO's a bad rap.

[Jayc6018]

No- you just have NYCDOC officers smuggling contraband to cop killers under their watch.

You need to get your head out of your ***, you ever think just MAYBE NYDOC doesn't get involved in shooting "unarmed civilians" because they DO NOT PATROL THE STREETS, or because 90% are UNARMED while on duty? Do a little google search of your own and see all the charges brought against NYCDOC officers, before painting them as a lily white agency. Or even search the administrative law archives on nyc.gov and just type in "corrections"- you will be shocked at what you read. Just google "Dali Rikers" and read.

I respect what NYDOC officers do. But as someone who deals with them constantly when they are off duty- the majority of them have terrible attitudes when they are stopped for a violation- which was the original theme of this thread. You very rarely get the same attitude when stopping someone from NYPD/NYSP/SCPD/NCPD/PAPD/MTAPD, etc.

Thats because all the agencies you mentioned are police officers under Article 1 sec 1.20 and NYCDOC officers take offense to that, oh well.

It seems like good ole' JOEQUEENSNY will fit in perfectly with a CO's off-duty attitude.

JOEQUEENSNY, is *******s like you that give all the good CO's a bad rap.

He has to get the job first which I doubt he will not.

[soon2retire]

I sure as hell hope not!! Guys with a bad attitude before they get on a job usually only get worse afterward!!!

[aqfyn3st]

I hope civilians are not reading this and laughing at us. I work for NYS DOCS and I have close family members in NYPD. All I can say is if I was driving by and I saw a police officer with a perp on the ground requiring help I will not stand there and judge. We are all brothers in uniform. Traffic Agents(non-leo) write citations so does this mean they are big and bad? If you are wrong your wrong and 2 wrongs never made a right. All this EGO is getting in the way. Some people are badge heavey. I have been pulled over by NYPD and State Troopers and let go. I am very greatful for the courtesy. The training is different and the environment is different. In this economy I am greatful to have a job.

[nycboldest21]

As a NYC Corrections Officer I just want to say something. I will be the first to admit that there are WAY to many unprofessional, lazy, mad at the world, straight up ***holes where I work, but I am not one of them. Both of my parents are cops and it's something I may be doing soon enough. I have been stopped twice since I have joined DOC, which is about 2 years now. Once was upstate NY by a trooper and once in the city by NYPD. When the trooper stopped me and asked for my ID he saw my DOC ID and shield because I keep all my ID's together. He stopped me at that point, asked where I worked and when I told him he told me to drive safe and have a nice day. However, when I got pulled over by NYPD and he approaced my car it was a completely different experience. When he saw my ID and shield and asked where I worked and he found out it was DOC not only did he hit me with the ticket, but instead of handing it to me he tossed it in my window and said "Say hello to your jail buddies for me" and walked back to his car. You dont get much more unprofessional than that. I treated both of them with respect, but because of some stupid little squabble going back and forth between NYPD and DOC this officer felt he could treat me like I was less than a person.

It's embarrasing when you look at other states and other LE Agencies and the respect they have for each other just because they all wear blue, but here in NYC it's a fight to prove who's better. Noone is better and neither job is tougher. They are both very difficult and both very dangerous. DOC has done some messed up things in the past, just like the NYPD. I wish I could meet the piece of Sh** that gave lee woods contraband, cause I would take them out of their misery myself, but to get treated like I'm some ******* "perp with a gun" because I'm in DOC (like some idiot in this thread) is completly wrong.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

god onli knows what the problem is between nyc corrections and nypd honestly i'm some what indifferent to corrections i honestly have never had a good experince with corrections and i can list several incidents and i really hate going to BCB and dealing with them there if cool with me and well behave i will let them off with a warn and admonish...and trust me when that CO got killed in BK over his bike we were searching for those sons of b*tches like they killed one of our own..but things like giving cop killers contraban ur union president making the jesture he was gonna testify against the pba at perp that **** gets under our skin and u know what every encounter w/ a CO i have made in williamsburg or brownsville they have acted like the savages i have collared idk maybe i'm just a black cloud and they all gravitate towards me

[BigWill2876]

Everyone has bad days and good days.

Only ticket I have received in many years was from a Wisconsin Trooper. He had a 'tude like I couldn't believe....so all you can do is just take your piece of paper, "thank you very much Officer/Trooper" and say a prayer for him because he is truly scum.
Be a PROFESSIONAL and treat everyone like you would like you Mom treated, you carry a badge, you arrest scum, you jail scum, you RUN into burning buildings (are these people crazy or WHAT !), give first aid to the injured, YES they are Brothers/Sisters.

Story; Guy used to write more tickets by himself that an entire 4 man radar team on NJ Turnpike ! Wanted to get a specialist assignment, he got one. But people kept an eye on him and after awhile he got pinched selling "used computers" and is now looking out the bars at our Corrections Brothers in the corridors as he waits for baloney sandwhiches for lunch.

[nycboldest21]

I just want to say this and I mean it with all my heart....God kill me if I'm lying....

I am A NYC Corrections Officer and proud of it. I would and I do put my life on the line everyday for the people I work with and protect. I wish more than anything that we could get along and unite as one force against evil....but, things seem to be getting in the way.

I just want to let all my brothers in blue know....regardeless of the patch we display on our shoulders, I will put my life on the line for anyone of you anyday. I personally apologize for the wrong doing of my department, and I wish I could change it. I go to bed every night and pray for the people that stand for justice. Thank you for all that you do. As a NYC Correction Officer I thank you for responding to the call in the night. God bless you and may Saint Michael Always watch upon you.

[aqfyn3st]

I just want to say this and I mean it with all my heart....God kill me if I'm lying....

I am A NYC Corrections Officer and proud of it. I would and I do put my life on the line everyday for the people I work with and protect. I wish more than anything that we could get along and unite as one force against evil....but, things seem to be getting in the way.

I just want to let all my brothers in blue know....regardeless of the patch we display on our shoulders, I will put my life on the line for anyone of you anyday. I personally apologize for the wrong doing of my department, and I wish I could change it. I go to bed every night and pray for the people that stand for justice. Thank you for all that you do. As a NYC Correction Officer I thank you for responding to the call in the night. God bless you and may Saint Michael Always watch upon you.

:)
Hold on brother wait for me

[NYSJAILER2008]

I just want to say this and I mean it with all my heart....God kill me if I'm lying....

I am A NYC Corrections Officer and proud of it. I would and I do put my life on the line everyday for the people I work with and protect. I wish more than anything that we could get along and unite as one force against evil....but, things seem to be getting in the way.

I just want to let all my brothers in blue know....regardeless of the patch we display on our shoulders, I will put my life on the line for anyone of you anyday. I personally apologize for the wrong doing of my department, and I wish I could change it. I go to bed every night and pray for the people that stand for justice. Thank you for all that you do. As a NYC Correction Officer I thank you for responding to the call in the night. God bless you and may Saint Michael Always watch upon you.
+p+ Well said

[JOEQUEENSNY]

I give COs a bad rap? lol listen to yourselves, your bragging about who you pulled over and how they acted and then basing those experiences to judge a WHOLE department...so IN TURN I turned that table AROUND on you. to be HONEST I have friends and family that are cops and CO's, what I was TRYING to say is --if WE are taking INDIVIDUAL people as a basis for a WHOLE department then the nerdy cops I know and the a-holes that have shot at innocent people should be the basis for YOUR department. why is that so wrong? am I wrong? there are WAYYYYYYY more corruption cases and "bad cop" cases then corruption within rikers...100% FACT like it or not, hate it if you want, thats just the way it is, so deal with it. NOW, do i REALLY believe the NYPD is a corrupt department, and all cops are a-holes, and blah blah blah?...NO, but I also believe that cops do not put there life on the line nearly as much as a CO in CERTAIN CASES, cops are in the street yes, but this nonsense of a "controlled enviroment " is just DUMB -- COs deal with criminals as a profession, all day everyday, no questions asked. there are cops in manhattan north, forest hills queens, howard beach and MANY MANY other cake posts. and most cops...LETS BE HONEST, are glorified ticket maids...

No- you just have NYCDOC officers smuggling contraband to cop killers under their watch.

yea sure, so there are black people that sell drugs, should we arrest all the black people?


You need to get your head out of your ***, you ever think just MAYBE NYDOC doesn't get involved in shooting "unarmed civilians" because they DO NOT PATROL THE STREETS, or because 90% are UNARMED while on duty? Do a little google search of your own and see all the charges brought against NYCDOC officers, before painting them as a lily white agency. Or even search the administrative law archives on nyc.gov and just type in "corrections"- you will be shocked at what you read. Just google "Dali Rikers" and read.

i never said that rikers was squeaky clean, every department has issues, look at the cocain addicts and alcholics in the FDNY, but we respect the work they do and salute them dont we?

and this guy who says something about Im not a CO or a Cop so "my opinion means squat" is a real tool. nice comeback, reminds me of "I know you are but what am I"

[gbotj]

I dont understand why you are so hostile. This is the internet man, fighting on here is useless especially when all of us have the common goal (preserve the publics safety, whether it be patrol on the street, or keeping the prisoners on an island and away from the public).

Fact is, you (or I, or anyone else) shouldnt judge unless you walked a mile in a COs and/or cops shoes. For those who were COs and now POs, they know what both jobs entail, and will treat each other with respect.


Just one thing, it doesnt matter where a cop works. All it takes is one car stop, anywhere to turn out bad. Bad guys drive through forest hills, or other areas. On long island there was a bay constable shot to death by a shotgun at a beach house. It was a very nice area, with one bad apple.

Please dont take my post the wrong way, just trying to end this online battle here because its useless.

[NYJets44288]

Well said gbotj, unfortunately nobody's going to listen.

[gbotj]

thanks NYjets, hopefully someone will listen.

[NYJets44288]

I take back "nobody", the select few.

[C.O.Man]

damn, I'm a nys c.o. and i love my job very much but stuff like this makes me extremely embarrassed. I have and will always give police officers respect and yes I will be there to help a police officer out in a time of an emergency without hesitation. If it wasn't for my off duty weapon I would not even show my id while being pulled over for a traffic infraction..

[NYCTNT]

Maybe NYCDOC does not have as much "corruption" and "scandle" because there is only about 9k CO's and about ohh... 35k PO's.

I was never too bright in math, but I can solve this equation!

[carlgotti]

I Know a couple of buddies of my who posted on this post who like myself are one of few who have done both PD and NYC DOC. What makes me laugh is if you ask cops who are hard on corrections most of them when asked don't even know why they dislike corrections, or point to an interaction a co worker had with corrections or hearsay based on someone elses interaction. From day one I preached at the academy to grey shirts who were ready to bang co's before they got the blue shirt on. 99.9% of corrections are good guys of all ethnicities and backgrounds, just judge each stop on the person in front of you and not the id and I can live with that . I got pulled over while an NYCDOC officer a couple of times and thank God the officers followed this same practice and didn't treat me based of some preconceived notion that Corrections guys are low lifes which lets be real most people say that due to the fact that is a mostly a minority dept which is offensive like NYPD NYS Troopers NYS courts and so on can't be *******s when pulled over. What im saying I have said before but it is worth repeating everyone in PD has their own philosophy in regards to who they will issue a summons to like I don't write city workers ie: Teachers, Sanitation and so on. Some guys don't write other LEOS from anywhere. My thing is hammer the wiseguys and leave the hard working guys alone. You will still get your numbers if you hammered only the wiseguys. You need those corrections guys on the A post and the B post the guys working the Bings more than you ever know, it takes allot to work on Rikers respect them unless they don't deserve it.

[kingofqueens718]

I Know a couple of buddies of my who posted on this post who like myself are one of few who have done both PD and NYC DOC. What makes me laugh is if you ask cops who are hard on corrections most of them when asked don't even know why they dislike corrections, or point to an interaction a co worker had with corrections or hearsay based on someone elses interaction. From day one I preached at the academy to grey shirts who were ready to bang co's before they got the blue shirt on. 99.9% of corrections are good guys of all ethnicities and backgrounds, just judge each stop on the person in front of you and not the id and I can live with that . I got pulled over while an NYCDOC officer a couple of times and thank God the officers followed this same practice and didn't treat me based of some preconceived notion that Corrections guys are low lifes which lets be real most people say that due to the fact that is a mostly a minority dept which is offensive like NYPD NYS Troopers NYS courts and so on can't be *******s when pulled over. What im saying I have said before but it is worth repeating everyone in PD has their own philosophy in regards to who they will issue a summons to like I don't write city workers ie: Teachers, Sanitation and so on. Some guys don't write other LEOS from anywhere. My thing is hammer the wiseguys and leave the hard working guys alone. You will still get your numbers if you hammered only the wiseguys. You need those corrections guys on the A post and the B post the guys working the Bings more than you ever know, it takes allot to work on Rikers respect them unless they don't deserve it.

Couldn't have said it better myself brother!

[Marxdaman29]

I'm glad this thread has died out....

[JOEQUEENSNY]

carlgotti...great post...I bet your an outstanding officer...NYPD needs officers like you...and so does Rikers.

C.O. Man I would be quick to help any officer in need myself, no matter what agency or department they work for. The reason I rip NYPD on here is not in a "literal" way. Im trying to defend the department Im interested in working for, but you get guys on here that are cops having something to say about a Rikers CO because of something they heard from someone who knows nothing. people actually think every officer in Rikers is a criminal, like its part of the qualifications... my point was more centered on - dont let an apple spoil the bunch unless the apples in your batch spoil just the same. There are some GREAT cops out there...and there are some A-hole CO's but every job and walk of life has a variety of personalities...

[kingofqueens718]

I'm glad this thread has died out....

You had to bump this thread?

[Marxdaman29]

You had to bump this thread?

Yes King, I had to bump it.. And since you asked the question, it has now been bumped again... ;)

[Marxdaman29]

You had to bump this thread?

Yes King I had to, and since you asked the question it has now been bumped again.... lol ;)

[DOCSatTheGunk]

There are too many skels working in Corrections. That is the problem. If the City and State didn't have this "need a body to fill a uniform" we can weed out the ******bags My brother is a detective in the 41 and he routinely has to go out to the Island. He tells me all the time "you got good c.o's working there, but than again you got these real skels there as well." It's unfortunate that the Police and Corrections in the city cannot get along..

[fabolous084]

All in all like I said before I never had a problem with cops on a car stop. I show them respect they return it and everyone has a nice day.. If I do one day meet a jerk it's not going to change my views because they are a few on every job... Be safe out there guys and marxdaman stop sleeping on post!! :rolleyes:

[JOEQUEENSNY]

at what point do you say...ok we arent hiring? because you say some people are real skels in DOC. They have to have a certain officer:inmate ratio (by law) and alot of people just cant do the job. its the same with NYPD. At some point they were making 28k ... How many quality officers will you get for that price? Sure you will get some but your gonna have your bad apples... More then the average inner city or state agency...its almost like "a cost of doing business" for the city.

all being equal IF by a chance the % of bad officers is more then NYPD (which i dont think it is at all) being in jail turns that margain into a greater number...what your dealing with...the "element" for lack of a better word.

all in all corrections is a much TOUGHER job...you have to admit...if it wasnt, there would be as big a turn out as police, and there would be people leaving PD to do it...instead people are constantly leaving DOC to be cops, and they havent even found enough qualified candidates in DOC to have an academy....which brings me to one last point. We can bicker about which job is a more ... PRESTIGIOUS job, but the process for DOC has been much more demanding so far then NYPD, and that is just a fact for example

process time - NYPD 6 weeks, DOC - just began after 9 months
candidates....NYPD - pushing people through to make quota DOC- cancels academy for lack of quality candidates

seriously ... slow and steady wins the race...how much information and backround can you get out of someone after 6 weeks??
DO THE MATH

[nyballer31]

at what point do you say...ok we arent hiring? because you say some people are real skels in DOC. They have to have a certain officer:inmate ratio (by law) and alot of people just cant do the job. its the same with NYPD. At some point they were making 28k ... How many quality officers will you get for that price? Sure you will get some but your gonna have your bad apples... More then the average inner city or state agency...its almost like "a cost of doing business" for the city.

all being equal IF by a chance the % of bad officers is more then NYPD (which i dont think it is at all) being in jail turns that margain into a greater number...what your dealing with...the "element" for lack of a better word.

all in all corrections is a much TOUGHER job...you have to admit...if it wasnt, there would be as big a turn out as police, and there would be people leaving PD to do it...instead people are constantly leaving DOC to be cops, and they havent even found enough qualified candidates in DOC to have an academy....which brings me to one last point. We can bicker about which job is a more ... PRESTIGIOUS job, but the process for DOC has been much more demanding so far then NYPD, and that is just a fact for example

process time - NYPD 6 weeks, DOC - just began after 9 months
candidates....NYPD - pushing people through to make quota DOC- cancels academy for lack of quality candidates

seriously ... slow and steady wins the race...how much information and backround can you get out of someone after 6 weeks??
DO THE MATH



You just can't help yourself can you.

[JOEQUEENSNY]

nyballer I don't want to sound like a hater ... I love the NYPD...I just can't stand when people generalize so I start fighting fire with fire meaning...if you say A then you can't disagree with B. Although I might think A and B are both wrong devils advocate works well in debate.

How I really feel: I think both agencies are equal in pretige and I think both have there downsides...you wouldn't get that from my argument but that's because I use facts to make my point that might at times sound like bashing. If I worked for either Dept and saw an employee from another in danger Id assist them REGAURDLESS

[JOEQUEENSNY]

LOL no...I'm actually a fireman for the BOE. Run and fix boilers but Im waiting to be called for Corrections

[Jayc6018]

You work for the BOE? funny I was a teacher with the BOE before I took this job. Smartest decision I ever made, good luck with corrections. I wouldnt take that job if you paid me 50k extra lol

[JOEQUEENSNY]

thanks Im really looking forward to it. who would take ANY job if they worked for the port authority? that has to be the sweetest gig ever...tough when the sh*t hits the fan, but thats a great job...you have to be alittle lucky to land that one...I hear its a lottery