How to cause pain and influence people

[Mack811]

That should be the course title of the block of instruction I am currently taking at the academy. http://www.officer.com/ubb/smile.gif Pressure points, take downs, come alongs etc. I have mat burns ,sore joints and tender nerves today. My instructor is a bit of a sadist.As we get only a basic level of training and I am interested in learning more I am wondering what you old hands recommend. I will sign up for the advanced course offered here and I realize hands on is the best teacher but are there any training materials available that are worthwhile in book or video form? Also what have you found to be most effective in the real world? Do you have a favorite technique? Any advice or pointers welcome. Thanks.

[Blue_Chameleon]

When I got out of the academy, I went though one week of a refresher course with my department before going on FTO...which covered everything from officer related shootings to our General Orders to arrest control/techniques.

At first, I thought they would tell me to "forget what the Academy taught you and listen to me" type of speech. But they didn't. They told me in addition to what I learned at the Academy, I can also use my department's recommendations for arrest control/techniques. They told me to do what "works for me".

So when I was out there, I used some things that were taught through the Academy and also implemented some things that my department taught me on that week of orientation. My FTOs had no complaints about my arrest techniques and officer safety.

Because I'm a small guy (5'10", 145 lbs), I prefer cuffing an individual the way the Academy taught me (because I don't want to get thrown around like a rag doll http://www.officer.com/ubb/wink.gif) While I am behind them, the suspect's right hand is behind their head and their left arm is extended backwards towards me with their thumb pointing in the air. I use my left hand and grab their left hand with the twist lock in the ready-to-be-applied position and I cuff his right hand (which is behind his head) and then bring it down to his left arm while maintaining the twist lock control until I get both arms in the cuffs. It may seem kind of "high profile" for some people but when someone is being arrested, there's no high or low profile in my opinion. They're just simply being arrested.

[KenM]

Our instructors teach Kempo (basic moves). I like that system and they tend to keep it simple. Strikes are delivered with the intent of going through your opponent, keeping the necessity for multiple strikes at a minimum. Kicks are kept below waist level to minimize the chance of getting swept or thrown.

Favorite strike is the brachial stun. The first time you get to use it and see your opponents knees go weak and collapse you'll be amazed.

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[Plaso]

With all the pain you expressed you will have some respect for the moves tha you use. Remember that training guys will fill your tool box with all kinds of stuff. We do DT training yearly and it seems we add new things all the time. Pick a few (I use about three from each kind of move: pain compliance, take-down, handcuffing, carotid takedowns ) things that you like and that work for you then work at being proficent at them. Just remember that while these things may work great in training they DON'T ALWAYS WORK when dealing with some stone cranker or the like. So don't be surprised if your moves don't work. Just remember the other things you have in your tool box!

[cajuncop]

Just remember that while these things may work great in training they DON'T ALWAYS WORK when dealing with some stone cranker or the like. So don't be surprised if your moves don't work.

I am a true testament to that Plaso. Remember this Mack811, I've come to realize over time that pressure points do not work too well on drunks. As a matter of fact, pepper spray (OC) doesn't work to well on drunks either. That's when you have to catch them off guard and do some type of take down or something.

In our department, we are certified through PPCT Management Systems, Inc. If you want to try to get a copy of their manual, it is titled, "PPCT Defensive Tactics Student Manual". I have the third edition, which was written in June 1998.

Their info is as follows:

PPCT Management Systems, Inc.
500 South Ill. Suite 3
Millstadt, IL 62260
(618)476-3535

There is some real useful information in that manual. But remember, make sure your D.T. instructor and your department would allow you to use another training manual different from what you are currnetly using.

[This message has been edited by cajuncop (edited 02-06-2001).]

[John from Maryland]

You might also look into the Monadnock Defensive Tactics Training System. It seems to blend the best techniques of several different systems. It's fairly simple and straightforward. Their manual is well illustrated. Monadnock has a link on the supply section of the website. Be safe.

[Mack811]

Thank you for the responses. Take care.

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