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nickg

06-26-2003, 12:04 PM

we HATE you America -- PLEASE don't let us starve!!!!

link to full article below. long but a VERY good read!!
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Thursday, June 26, 2003

Much of the world tied to U.S. prosperity

By CHI-DOOH LI
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER

According to recent polls, people in the rest of the world now have a lower opinion of the United States as a result of the Iraq war.

So what else is new?

If the pollsters really want to do something newsworthy, they ought to ask a different question of representative samplings of hundreds of millions of people around the world.

No matter how deeply they resent U.S. foreign policy or how passionately they hate the United States, how many will admit to having their own well-being tied directly and inextricably to U.S. peace and prosperity?

full story here:
<a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/128208_skip26.html" target="_blank">http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/128208_skip26.html</a>

BrickCop

06-26-2003, 12:40 PM

Many anti- American countries use one hand to give us the finger while the other is palm up looking for a handout. :mad:

You'd think they wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Even the mailman doesn't get bothered in the projects because he delivers the welfare checks. :D

retired

06-26-2003, 12:45 PM

It's not to hard to understand why the Iraqis'hate us!

nickg

06-26-2003, 01:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
It's not to hard to understand why the Iraqis'hate us!<hr /></blockquote>yeah...with all the money we gave the iraqi government in the past that went to build saddam's 20 palaces instead of giving it for food and medicine for the people. yeah...that's our fault. :rolleyes:

we've given a lot of countries money that the politicos squandered for themselves and then the citizens turn around and blame us for the rat bastard politicians that pocketed it.

yeah...always blame America first.

are you the type that gets money from the bank and then blames the bank because your wife spends it all on diamonds and vacations instead of food and shelter? :rolleyes:

retired

06-26-2003, 04:52 PM

nickq,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nickg:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
It's not to hard to understand why the Iraqis'hate us!<hr /></blockquote>yeah...with all the money we gave the iraqi government in the past that went to build saddam's 20 palaces instead of giving it for food and medicine for the people. yeah...that's our fault. :rolleyes:

we've given a lot of countries money that the politicos squandered for themselves and then the citizens turn around and blame us for the rat bastard politicians that pocketed it.

yeah...always blame America first.

are you the type that gets money from the bank and then blames the bank because your wife spends it all on diamonds and vacations instead of food and shelter? :rolleyes: <hr /></blockquote>You should read my comments carefully before accusing me of blaming America for anything.

I merely said it wasn't hard to understand why the Iraqis hated the U.S. Is that hard for you to understand? If the situation were reversed and Iraq had invaded your homeland, conquered you, and then occupied your country telling you what you can or cannot do, would you love them? I obviously wasn't referring to the Iraqi government, and all the money we have given them.

Sometimes you just flame incoherently without any reason or knowing what you are upset with or why. Try reading the short non-difficult comment I made about the IRaqi's hating us. It isn't too complicated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

jellybean40

06-26-2003, 05:17 PM

Sometimes i think about all the "things" we Americans have to have, and its kind of disgusting. and i imagine it is to others looking in from the outside, too.

Someone at work was talking the other day, saying she told the car dealership (while buying a new car) that her car payment CANNOT be over $700/mo. God, that was unreal to me. to think of what some people make in a week, and not just in other countries, in this one also.

People start buying their babies Nike sneakers when they're born, and God forbid they have hand-me-downs. Now we need TV's that cover a whole wall... go to the movies if you want a big screen! ...lol

And we need every electronic gadget to do EVERYthing, or we're behind the times (or not up with the Jones'). now we can get a vaccuum cleaner that cleans our house automatically while we're not there. cuz we need to be out making MORE money to buy MORE things! ...

Sorry, to hijack the thread lol... but it looked like a good place to vent. Happiness in life is really not about the "things". I learned that... but yes, i did still get a new car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ 06-26-2003, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: jellybean40 ]

Mike Tx

06-26-2003, 07:48 PM

Yeah JB, let's just all kill ourselves because we can have what we want and someone else cant.

Sig220Man

06-26-2003, 08:00 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Sometimes you just flame incoherently without any reason or knowing what you are upset with or why. Try reading the short non-difficult comment I made about the IRaqi's hating us. It isn't too complicated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: <hr /></blockquote>retired, to be honest you're no better than nickg in this regard.

Particularly with the threads dealing with the War with Iraq, or anything involving Homeland Security, you have no problem lambasting people that don't agree with your point of view. But when those people try to have a factual debate with you, you treat it like some sort of personal attack.

If you want to air your personal views, fine. But that comes with the risk of someone else airing THEIR personal views that don't necessarily agree with yours.

nickg

06-27-2003, 08:36 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sig220Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Sometimes you just flame incoherently without any reason or knowing what you are upset with or why. Try reading the short non-difficult comment I made about the IRaqi's hating us. It isn't too complicated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: <hr /></blockquote>retired, to be honest you're no better than nickg in this regard.

Particularly with the threads dealing with the War with Iraq, or anything involving Homeland Security, you have no problem lambasting people that don't agree with your point of view. But when those people try to have a factual debate with you, you treat it like some sort of personal attack.

If you want to air your personal views, fine. But that comes with the risk of someone else airing THEIR personal views that don't necessarily agree with yours.<hr /></blockquote>99.9% of the time retired disagrees with me, so it's just another day at the office when he replies to anything i've said. i don't take it personally and i hope he doesn't either.

it's just when a one line comment like that is made with no explanation i can only read into as i see it. and his reply came off as a "blame America" type response, at least to me.

me and someone else on here actually agreed on something the other day when we normally don't see eye to eye, so someday retired and myself may actually do the same. :D :D

[ 06-27-2003, 08:53 AM: Message edited by: nickg ]

nickg

06-27-2003, 08:48 AM

deleted just because of the fact that i screwed up my reply and don't feel like doing it again!! :D

[ 06-27-2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: nickg ]

retired

06-27-2003, 10:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sig220Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Sometimes you just flame incoherently without any reason or knowing what you are upset with or why. Try reading the short non-difficult comment I made about the IRaqi's hating us. It isn't too complicated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: <hr /></blockquote>retired, to be honest you're no better than nickg in this regard.

Particularly with the threads dealing with the War with Iraq, or anything involving Homeland Security, you have no problem lambasting people that don't agree with your point of view. But when those people try to have a factual debate with you, you treat it like some sort of personal attack.

If you want to air your personal views, fine. But that comes with the risk of someone else airing THEIR personal views that don't necessarily agree with yours.<hr /></blockquote>Hey Sig, would you rather I just quit posting here?

CinaC

06-27-2003, 10:39 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Yeah JB, let's just all kill ourselves because we can have what we want and someone else cant. <hr /></blockquote>Hey, Mike, I think what JB meant was, oh, look, she said it herself, "Happiness in life is really not about the 'things'." I guess that's too complicated a concept for you?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />yeah...with all the money we gave the iraqi government in the past that went to build saddam's 20 palaces instead of giving it for food and medicine for the people. yeah...that's our fault. <hr /></blockquote>Nick, if you leant $100 to your cousin, when you knew he was going to blow it on drugs instead of on food or bills, would you be mad at him for spending it that way, or at yourself for thinking he was going to spend it on something else?

[ 06-27-2003, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: CiaJ ]

nickg

06-27-2003, 11:41 AM

i wouldn't lend my cousin $100 to begin with!! :D :D

so maybe we should stop sending money to these countries that just squander it away. but you know THAT will never happen. :rolleyes:

Dave T

06-27-2003, 11:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sig220Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Sometimes you just flame incoherently without any reason or knowing what you are upset with or why. Try reading the short non-difficult comment I made about the IRaqi's hating us. It isn't too complicated. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: <hr /></blockquote>retired, to be honest you're no better than nickg in this regard.

Particularly with the threads dealing with the War with Iraq, or anything involving Homeland Security, you have no problem lambasting people that don't agree with your point of view. But when those people try to have a factual debate with you, you treat it like some sort of personal attack.

If you want to air your personal views, fine. But that comes with the risk of someone else airing THEIR personal views that don't necessarily agree with yours.<hr /></blockquote>Hey Sig, would you rather I just quit posting here?<hr /></blockquote>Retired,

If a reasonable person were to read his post it would be obvious that he is supporting your right to present your opinions. However, what he is pointing out is that only an ignorant person attempts to promote his viewpoint by attacking the position of others. It only proves that he really can not present an intelligent argument that factually supports the ideas to which he aspires.

I think that this forum is an outstanding place to present opinions on a wide spectrum of topics. IMHO, it should only be used by people that are legitimately open to debate instead of simply making unfounded attacks upon opposing ideas. Unfortunately some individuals either are so blinded by some personal bias or do not maintain the intellectual capacity to develop a viable argument. Based upon your past posts I dont think that you really fall into either of these categories. But, you do become defensive on occasion and tangent into a more personal attack instead of offering "proof of concept" information that might lead another to view things from your perspective.

Opinions are never wrong - only different.

My .02 worth

DT

[ 06-27-2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Dave T ]

Mike Tx

06-27-2003, 02:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />...would you rather I just quit posting here?<hr /></blockquote>No, just when I die, and they bury me face down, drop by and give me a little kiss. :D

retired

06-27-2003, 03:07 PM

Mike,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mike Tx:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />...would you rather I just quit posting here?<hr /></blockquote>No, just when I die, and they bury me face down, drop by and give me a little kiss. :D <hr /></blockquote>When you are face down you will get more than a little kiss! :D :D

Are you being buried in the same trailer park where you live? :p

CinaC

06-27-2003, 03:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />so maybe we should stop sending money to these countries that just squander it away. but you know THAT will never happen. <hr /></blockquote>You used Iraq and Hussein as an example. Let's take a look, ok? The US sends Hussein money. Instead of spending it on food or medicine for Iraqis, Hussein spends it on "20 new palaces." So as far as Joe-Schmoe Iraqi sees it, the US is underwriting Hussein while people are starving. Gosh, isn't the US so great and mighty? No, because the US knew how the money was being spent, and didn't cut him off until he decided to waltz into Kuwait.

Sig220Man

06-27-2003, 05:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Hey Sig, would you rather I just quit posting here?<hr /></blockquote>That's ultimately up to you. You haven't given me any reason to chase you out of here.

However, like another poster has said, you have become extremely defensive whenever another poster doesn't agree with you. If someone tries to have a factual debate with you, you treat it as a personal attack.

So when you berate another member for the exact same behavior that you have been exhibiting for quite some time, it's time for a reality check.

jarhead6073

06-27-2003, 07:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CiaJ:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />so maybe we should stop sending money to these countries that just squander it away. but you know THAT will never happen. <hr /></blockquote>You used Iraq and Hussein as an example. Let's take a look, ok? The US sends Hussein money. Instead of spending it on food or medicine for Iraqis, Hussein spends it on "20 new palaces." So as far as Joe-Schmoe Iraqi sees it, the US is underwriting Hussein while people are starving. Gosh, isn't the US so great and mighty? No, because the US knew how the money was being spent, and didn't cut him off until he decided to waltz into Kuwait.<hr /></blockquote>Whenever someone mentions Iraq buying food and medicine I take it mean under the UN "oil-for-food" program. Not pre-Gulf War when Iraq was not under UN sanctions.

Under the oil-for-food program the UN directly approved any purchases made by Iraq. When they were cooperating that is <a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/iraq99b.htm" target="_blank">State Department</a>
Not to mention the video production equipment and other "necessities" the UN allowed Iraq to buy instead of food and medicine.

retired

06-27-2003, 08:37 PM

Sig,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sig220Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by retired:
Hey Sig, would you rather I just quit posting here?<hr /></blockquote>That's ultimately up to you. You haven't given me any reason to chase you out of here.

However, like another poster has said, you have become extremely defensive whenever another poster doesn't agree with you. If someone tries to have a factual debate with you, you treat it as a personal attack.

So when you berate another member for the exact same behavior that you have been exhibiting for quite some time, it's time for a reality check.<hr /></blockquote>I'm going to guess that sometime in the future, you'll bar me! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Mike Tx

06-27-2003, 09:16 PM

I vote for him to just take a bar to you. A steel bar, from the frame on my trailer house. But don't hit him in the head Sig, because I may have to use that bar again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

J-WS6

06-27-2003, 10:07 PM

That wouldnt be very nice... remember, retired is Really Tired and probably wouldnt have tne energy to defend himself!

Bill R

06-27-2003, 10:54 PM

jarhead6073:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Whenever someone mentions Iraq buying food and medicine I take it mean under the UN "oil-for-food" program. Not pre-Gulf War when Iraq was not under UN sanctions.

Under the oil-for-food program the UN directly approved any purchases made by Iraq <hr /></blockquote>The UN also collected a percentage off the top in the "oil for food" program. I think that is one of the reasons the UN wanted to maintain the status quo.

retired

06-27-2003, 11:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by J-WS6:
That wouldnt be very nice... remember, retired is Really Tired and probably wouldnt have tne energy to defend himself!<hr /></blockquote>Care to ride around with me in South Central Los Angeles for a few shifts? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

retired

06-27-2003, 11:51 PM

Mike,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mike Tx:
I vote for him to just take a bar to you. A steel bar, from the frame on my trailer house. But don't hit him in the head Sig, because I may have to use that bar again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>You don't expect any of us to believe that the trailer park you live in has trailers made of metal? :confused: Come on, be honest! :D

CinaC

06-28-2003, 12:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Whenever someone mentions Iraq buying food and medicine I take it mean under the UN "oil-for-food" program. Not pre-Gulf War when Iraq was not under UN sanctions. <hr /></blockquote>Jarhead,

I mentioned it in the context of Nick's post, which was "why do the Iraqis hate the US when it was Hussein 'mispending' the money we were giving him?"

J-WS6

06-28-2003, 03:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Care to ride around with me in South Central Los Angeles for a few shifts?
<hr /></blockquote>I dont wanna scare any hoodrats and ruin your rep :p

*I cant spell*

[ 06-28-2003, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: J-WS6 ]

retired

06-28-2003, 03:59 PM

J,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by J-WS6:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Care to ride around with me in South Central Los Angeles for a few shifts?
<hr /></blockquote>I dont wanna scare any hoodrats and ruin your rep :p

*I cant spell*<hr /></blockquote>Hmmmm, and just what would you say my rep might be in Los Angeles?? :confused: <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Jim Burnes

06-28-2003, 06:13 PM

There are various countries that are on the verge of war, and would go to full-scale war if the US diverted its attention from their complaints. Many African and sub-Saharan nations are undergoing famine conditions (again), and their population would die off if the US just halted the flow of supplies.

Countries that have severe over-population problems, and yet fail to reduce the birth rate count on the support of the US to carry them.

America really needs to take a harsh, reality check of its many overseas programs.

Jim Burnes

jarhead6073

06-28-2003, 08:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CiaJ:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Whenever someone mentions Iraq buying food and medicine I take it mean under the UN "oil-for-food" program. Not pre-Gulf War when Iraq was not under UN sanctions. <hr /></blockquote>Jarhead,

I mentioned it in the context of Nick's post, which was "why do the Iraqis hate the US when it was Hussein 'mispending' the money we were giving him?"<hr /></blockquote>But I thought their food and medicine problems started after the evil sanctions...? Are you saying that the Iraqi people were being misteated before the sanctions? Oh my.

CinaC

06-29-2003, 12:52 AM

Jarhead,

<blockquote>quote:<hr />But I thought their food and medicine problems started after the evil sanctions...? Are you saying that the Iraqi people were being misteated before the sanctions? Oh my.<hr /></blockquote>For at least the second time, let me explain to you that my response was in regards to NickG's claim that "all the money [the U.S.] gave the iraqi government in the past that went to build saddam's 20 palaces instead of giving it for food and medicine for the people. yeah...that's our fault"

Jim Burnes

06-29-2003, 03:44 PM

America has to get out of Irag, today, no further delays. The Iraqi can take care of their own.

They choose to live in Hell, it's their business and they don't want any help. So, don't provide the help.

Jim Burnes

n567

06-29-2003, 05:26 PM

I think that by destroying the Iraqi government, and therefore plunging the nation into chaos, Iraq is our responsibility for the time being.

Mike Tx

06-29-2003, 06:32 PM

Yeah.

Jim Burnes

06-29-2003, 06:40 PM

Saddamm destroyed Iraq. America threw his butt out. Iraqi citizens are the only ones responsible for Iraq, but have they begun to act on their behalf? No. Instead, they behave like thugs towards each other.

Nothing that comes from the West is going to be acceptable to them. Common sense does not apply. They won't be satisfied if we stay, nor will they become happy when we leave.

Iraq is not only a different culture, it's a different world overall. We can deal with them business to business, but no more Americans should be dying there. Let's cut our losses now and get out.

BTW, America is not responsible for every petty, corrupted, perverted leader in the world. Every country gets the leadership it deserves.

Jim Burnes

Mike Tx

06-29-2003, 07:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />BTW, America is not responsible for every petty, corrupted, perverted leader in the world. Every country gets the leadership it deserves.

Jim Burnes <hr /></blockquote>Jim, I think when we go in and destroy the government of a country, then we are responsible for it.

We are going to pay through the nose for this, and we will continue to pay for future transgressions. In my opinion, there is an ulterior motive for this. What it is may be oil, or something else. I find it strange that after this long we haven't found much to back the pres up.

I wonder what leader we will deserve after the next election?

[ 06-29-2003, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Mike Tx ]

n567

06-29-2003, 08:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Nothing that comes from the West is going to be acceptable to them. Common sense does not apply. They won't be satisfied if we stay, nor will they become happy when we leave.

Iraq is not only a different culture, it's a different world overall. We can deal with them business to business, but no more Americans should be dying there. Let's cut our losses now and get out.<hr /></blockquote>Well then, what was the point of Iraq in the first place? Since we've not found a trace of WMD, our government is now saying the reason was to free Iraq, and construct a western style of government in the country.

Jim Burnes

06-30-2003, 12:08 AM

They don't want a western stlyed system. The WMD they possess are hidden, the proof of their existance will be their use on targets. When that happens, all the ones who complain about their non existance can then complain that America did not do enough.

As to America, you folks get exactly what you now have in the White House, because Americans are too apathatic to even walk to a voting booth.

The government fools got us into this mess. The people will have to pull us out.

And it matters little if a Democrat or Republican runs the place, they are two sides of the same coin.

Jim Burnes

n567

06-30-2003, 01:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The WMD they possess are hidden, the proof of their existance will be their use on targets. When that happens, all the ones who complain about their non existance can then complain that America did not do enough.<hr /></blockquote>Glad to see you agree with me that we were lied to by the government. Not that anyone cares, like you said.

CinaC

06-30-2003, 12:59 PM

Jim,

After WWI, Germany was destroyed, and no one really cared to take "responsibility" for the nation and rebuild it. Twenty years later, we were in World War II as a large result of providing a situation where it was ripe for an aggressive dictator to sieze control. When Germany was destroyed for a second time, its former enemies took "responsibility" for it, and lo' and behold, it's been sixty years since Germany has started a world war!

Y'know that saying about "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"? It applies to Iraq.

Jim Burnes

06-30-2003, 01:30 PM

Crazy of Old,

Germany was responsible for WW1. The years between 1918 and 1927 were wasted by Germany, and from 1927 onward there was a general world-wide depression. Hitler was among a gaggle of German men seeking different routes to gain leadership in Germany, and that struggle was on a low boil from about 1922 until the Nazi Brown Shirts took the political lead. Which leads up to April, 1945.

The treaty signed at the end of WW1 limited Germanys ability to possess weapons and restricted its policies. But Germany broke that treaty, built its forces up and began WW2.

After WW2, German citizens banned Nazi and neo-Nazi type parties, similar propaganda and forbade it's military from certain agressive actions.

Germany started both wars, lost both and the destruction of their infrastructure, which was the direct result of their choices, was Germanys responsibility alone.

No other country was responsible for Germanys political choices, military goals, social programs or the resultant physical destruction.

Or, is history somehow in error?

Jim Burnes

CinaC

06-30-2003, 01:37 PM

Jim,

Had Germany been rebuilt following WWI (in the same manner as it was after WWII) the climate which allowed for the rise of Hitler may not have existed.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />No other country was responsible for Germanys political choices, military goals, social programs or the resultant physical destruction.<hr /></blockquote>Did I claim this, Jim? NO.

[ 06-30-2003, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: CiaJ ]

Jim Burnes

06-30-2003, 02:31 PM

After WW1, Europe was in the early stages of depression, which only increased as the years passed. Being that each country paid attention to its own affairs, no other country but Germany was going to invest time and money into Germany.

The treaty signed by the Germans set the conditions under which they would live, and following the provisions would have prevented WW2. So in the end, GERMANS developed their own situation and set up the stage for WW2. No one else.

Jim Burnes

CinaC

06-30-2003, 03:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The treaty signed by the Germans set the conditions under which they would live, and following the provisions would have prevented WW2. So in the end, GERMANS developed their own situation and set up the stage for WW2. No one else. <hr /></blockquote>Jim,

If you don't believe that a country has a responsiblity to the country it has defeated in war, that's fine. I'm simply pointing out that when the US and the allies decided that they had a responsibility to Germany after WWII, the end-result was much different from post WWI Germany, when the allies decided that they had no responsibilty to Germany. Failing to assist in setting up a new government and rebuilding Germany DIRECTLY led to the circumstances under which Hitler came about.

Leaving Iraq as it is now will do nothing but provide a fertile ground for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit, and it'll certainly be a rallying cry the next time Bush wants to invade a country and promises post-war support.

Jim Burnes

06-30-2003, 03:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CiaJ:
. Failing to assist in setting up a new government and rebuilding Germany DIRECTLY led to the circumstances under which Hitler came about.
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Leaving Iraq as it is now will do nothing but provide a fertile ground for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit, .[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Twice I've remarked that the world after WW1 was in depression mode. There was a good reason for not throwing money at Germany.

The Anti-American terrorists will dog us if we stay at home reading the newspaper. It don't matter what we do or don't do.

Jim Burnes

jarhead6073

06-30-2003, 04:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CiaJ:
Jim,

After WWI, Germany was destroyed, and no one really cared to take "responsibility" for the nation and rebuild it. Twenty years later, we were in World War II as a large result of providing a situation where it was ripe for an aggressive dictator to sieze control. When Germany was destroyed for a second time, its former enemies took "responsibility" for it, and lo' and behold, it's been sixty years since Germany has started a world war!

Y'know that saying about "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"? It applies to Iraq.<hr /></blockquote>The glaring difference is that the GOVERNMENT of Germany was not removed as it was in Iraq. There was still a functioning beaurocracy in place at the end of the war. Therefore it was not the place of the allies to "rebuild" Germany after the war.

[ 06-30-2003, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: jarhead6073 ]

CinaC

06-30-2003, 04:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Therefore it was not the place of the allies to "rebuild" Germany after the war.<hr /></blockquote>Too bad they didn't.

But I take it you agree that since the US took out Iraq's government, it IS the place of the US to "rebuild" Iraq?

n567

06-30-2003, 04:47 PM

Jim, even if it may not be our responsibility, the entire reason for us waging war in Iraq will be for nought if we don't do something.

Had we taken action after WW1 (and we did give Germany lots of money, which it then paid to France and the U.K in reparations, who then paid off their debts to us with it) then there may not have been a WW2. That is, if we want to ensure that our wars are for a good reason, and have something of a positive outcome, then the war doesn't stop when the fighting stops.