LAPD at LAX

[Defender06]

I understand that LAX has its own law enforcement agency however when I was on leave I noticed that there was more visible LAPD officers on patrol (without the LA Airport police shoulder patches), and a LAPD older style marked unit was out front of the LAX terminal with a citation on its window (LOL) whats the deal why is LAX a spot for what appears to be overtime for LAPD when it has its own police force? I'm just curious due to them being a possible agency to work for once my military time is up. Their website and video seem pretty squared away just curious on the actual duties that they do..

[bigcitypolice06]

LAPD has a substation and provides extra staffing for the airport. There are officers assigned there fulltime however they are augmented by overtime officers. They are there to provide extra staffing for the airport (paid for by home land security). LAXPD is slowly hiring more officers however and beginning to fill the slots. They are supposed to be taking over all airport duties eventually. The car is probably a decoy (parker on the window is a joke).

[Berlioz]

LAX is in LAPD's Pacific Division so it wouldn't be too uncommon to see an LAPD unit in the area...especially motors.

Another thing, with specialized depts, there are certain things they don't handle. For example, LAUSD PD handles radio calls generated on LAUSD school grounds. However, if an allegation of child abuse (sexual or otherwise) is reported then LAPD will handle the call regardless if it occurred on school grounds or not. Im sure LAXPD has exceptions of its own. My point is that if you are in LA's city limits, don't be too surprised to see LAPD floating around.

[DAL]

My understanding is that LAPD handles all major crime investigations at LAX. I am sure that Los Angeles World Airports Police would not handle a homicide or a rape investigation, for example. LAPD also staffs the security desks just beyond the checkpoints. The LAPD substation is adjacent to Terminal 8.

[DOAcop38]

LAX is in LAPD's Pacific Division so it wouldn't be too uncommon to see an LAPD unit in the area...especially motors.


LAXPD is a "district" PD for the city of L.A. LAPD ,as the cities primary L.E. agency has the 911 system for the entire incorporated city of L.A.( even the County Sheriff doesn't handle "911" calls in the city) alot of times , there will be calls for police service that aren't channelled to LAXPD unless 1) LAPD resends the calls to LAXPD communications for the of more urgent response 2) The calls are those that LAPD personnel aren't available to handle 3) they are calls more routinely handled by Airport PD personnel ( i.e. 415 man on a transit bus entering LAX, burglary from motor vehicle inv at an LAX parking lot,prowler suspect near an LAX facility.etc)


Another thing, with specialized depts, there are certain things they don't handle. For example, LAUSD PD handles radio calls generated on LAUSD school grounds. However, if an allegation of child abuse (sexual or otherwise) is reported then LAPD will handle the call regardless if it occurred on school grounds or not. Im sure LAXPD has exceptions of its own. My point is that if you are in LA's city limits, don't be too surprised to see LAPD floating around.

Once again ,it is the primary agency issue- LAPD is still the lead Dept in the city with the "other (4)" -LAXPD,PORT of L.A. PD, L.A. Gen Servs PD, LAUSDPD as the secondary service agencies- each one is fully capable of handling the routine police work , up to in progress felonies,and conducting the preliminary invs, as well as arrests, BUT with nearly 10,000 personnel, you are just going to see LAPD around alot more often in many areas....

[DOAcop38]

My understanding is that LAPD handles all major crime investigations at LAX. I am sure that Los Angeles World Airports Police would not handle a homicide or a rape investigation, for example. LAPD also staffs the security desks just beyond the checkpoints. The LAPD substation is adjacent to Terminal 8.

thats right, per the MOA between the depts- it promises control and completion of certain invs. homicide ,rape and "sometimes" kidnapping( not counting id'ed child abduction by a spouse,parent, or family member) are normally handled by LAPD personnel. As the airport doesn't have a large or fully staffed Detective unit- the follow ups to must LAXPD cases and arrests are filed pre dominently by LAPD detectives( works so far, and nobody complains as were are all part of the same city "public safety" system).LAXPD officers pretty much handle anything that comes their way, but due to course and scope of our daily duties ,it is more feasible to begin preliminary invs, and forward them to "big bro" to finish the job. Of interesting note- officers from smaller area depts like to use this as a way to down LAXPD for potential recruits- funny thing is that alot of these agencies often hand over officer involved shootings, homicides,and rapes,kidnappings to the L.A. County Sheriff for investigation:rolleyes:

[DOAcop38]

I understand that LAX has its own law enforcement agency however when I was on leave I noticed that there was more visible LAPD officers on patrol (without the LA Airport police shoulder patches), and a LAPD older style marked unit was out front of the LAX terminal with a citation on its window (LOL) whats the deal why is LAX a spot for what appears to be overtime for LAPD when it has its own police force? I'm just curious due to them being a possible agency to work for once my military time is up. Their website and video seem pretty squared away just curious on the actual duties that they do..

Depends on what you want- if you apply and come onto the job- you won't be chasing gangbangers everyday ( every now and then you will,so don't think you'll totally sit on your hands)- you'll get the same as any other Dept ( our officers now attend only the LAPD academy with their LAPD counterparts) and often more training on a variety of things to do in a short time, and you can promote rapidly if you work hard.it can sometimes be a "boring" ,baby sitter type of detail, but thats when you have to be motivated,and go "looking" for felony hooks-often not very hard to find even over in the tawny westchester area. Plus you'll get racked alot by the large # of people threatening to "do something" at LAX on a daily basis ( not the kind of place to work for the paranoid) pay is decent ( starting is like $60K to $82K for folks coming in off the "street", before longevity step pay and advanced assignment pay). I often advocate LAPD first as they haire more officers and you can get int the "pile" faster in terms of police work, but LAXPD is a good choice to put into your "options" basket in terms of So.Cal policing.....

[Berlioz]

Once again ,it is the primary agency issue- LAPD is still the lead Dept in the city with the "other (4)" -LAXPD,PORT of L.A. PD, L.A. Gen Servs PD, LAUSDPD as the secondary service agencies- each one is fully capable of handling the routine police work , up to in progress felonies,and conducting the preliminary invs, as well as arrests, BUT with nearly 10,000 personnel, you are just going to see LAPD around alot more often in many areas....

When I was at Newton, LAUSDPD was awesome in assisting us with hot calls. Whether its crime scene control, detaining possible suspects, or providing some of their intel. They get into their fair share of muck, too. I enjoyed working with their guys their and will miss some of them.

[Sgt.Reality]

Taking away my 6 years of gravy DOA!!


Ha ha, I never expected it to last this long. Was a good run. Have'nt got in in the last 2 months, heard you guys were taking over Ter. 3 and 5 soon, if not already. I guessing we are out of the terminals by next spring, that sound right on your side of things?

[DOAcop38]

Taking away my 6 years of gravy DOA!!


Ha ha, I never expected it to last this long. Was a good run. Have'nt got in in the last 2 months, heard you guys were taking over Ter. 3 and 5 soon, if not already. I guessing we are out of the terminals by next spring, that sound right on your side of things?

yeah, and whats sad is that the IDEA was to get Airport cops to do MORe police work in the area and ALLOW LAPD to concentrate other services around the rest of the city- its actually a "backward" movement as terrorism isn't about jumping on a plane, hijacking it and flying to libya or cuba anymore! that OT$$ is gone, baby gone,and NOT just for LAPD only- the checkpoints will now be a "do nothing" , routine duty drone detail- and judging by the temperment of the current batch of "whats in it for me" generation ARTC is unleashing on us, airport cops that are young are gonna' leave to come back to "big Bro blue" or(like most I deal with now) be lazy and zone out for 20+ yrs and spreading out at the waist on a "sit and collect a check" job......

I actually liked the idea of the extra LAPD personnel being here- it chilled them out on a relaxed PR detail, allowed for a few bucks to be made, and allowed guys like me to get out and do what I know how to do around RD#1494

Expect more radio calls to the airport area for LAPD personnel to handle low grade crimes,as the LAX PD staff will be "tied" up sitting and looking.....

[Garbage Man]

It always looks tome like there 10 LAPD cops for every 1 LAXPD. Butits the LAXPD guy who seems tobe the one working. TheLAPD guys are just sitting or standing a post pay very close attention to anything but their surroundings. Which sounds like exactly what i would be doing. there is nothing lazier than a cop on OT. I am no exception frankly and I dont know why that is.

I am heading out Firday the 19th I will look again to see if it looks like there is less LAPD.

[Berlioz]

It always looks tome like there 10 LAPD cops for every 1 LAXPD. Butits the LAXPD guy who seems tobe the one working. TheLAPD guys are just sitting or standing a post pay very close attention to anything but their surroundings. Which sounds like exactly what i would be doing. there is nothing lazier than a cop on OT. I am no exception frankly and I dont know why that is.

I am heading out Firday the 19th I will look again to see if it looks like there is less LAPD.

Are you posting while intoxicated, again?:p

[DOAcop38]

It always looks tome like there 10 LAPD cops for every 1 LAXPD. Butits the LAXPD guy who seems tobe the one working. TheLAPD guys are just sitting or standing a post pay very close attention to anything but their surroundings. Which sounds like exactly what i would be doing. there is nothing lazier than a cop on OT. I am no exception frankly and I dont know why that is.

I am heading out Firday the 19th I will look again to see if it looks like there is less LAPD.

Whats the old saying, "welcome to heaven ,you've done your time in hell".. LAPD personnel can smell easy OT $$$ and details FASTER than a shark can smell blood in water !!!! :D:D:D Honestly ,its not the officers but LAPD mgm't under Bratton that wants the highly visible presence( NOT like the airport has never been a terrorist target BEFORE Bratton took over LAPD- the Alphabet bomber attack, the Unibomber threat, the discover of 60 lbs of semtex in a suitcase at pan am after the lockerbee plane attack,the Y2K foiled attack,the july 4th 2002 shooting,etc ).


Its Brattons ego(after taling mucho sh*t about us in 2005, he had the nerve to shake our officers hands and tell us he thinks we're "great cops" )- when he decides he wants to do something or want something ( like hostile take over of Airport PD) he stays at it !!! The LAPD rank and file not regularly assigned here could care less about an extra rpt or answering a radio call,and our folks are scarcely seen cause we are tied up on B.S. calls and details !They honestly aren't needed here, but I don't begrudge them making some easy coin by sitting around-it makes grandma from Iowa feel safe,so thats that!

PM me if you need a parking pass when you go out !

[Defender06]

Thank you all for the insight. I really wish I had a reason to go back to Anaheim and the rest of SoCal but I have to bide my time in the Air Force. I am really interested in LAXPD and the San Diego Harbor Police, for whatever reason I want to do something different as a cop and working at an Airport or on the water sounds like an interesting challenge.

[DOAcop38]

Thank you all for the insight. I really wish I had a reason to go back to Anaheim and the rest of SoCal but I have to bide my time in the Air Force. I am really interested in LAXPD and the San Diego Harbor Police, for whatever reason I want to do something different as a cop and working at an Airport or on the water sounds like an interesting challenge.

good choices,especially if some one is touting working at some "1 horse town" PD- try looking into the L.A. Port PD also....

[Garbage Man]

Are you posting while intoxicated, again?:p

Nah just typing while my wife is nagging me to quit. I have to type fast sometimes and dont always proof, That post was especially bad tho I have to admit. :o

[Sgt.Reality]

Always will be those that are'nt spot on Mr. Garden Grove, but remember, 10 hours covering an area of about 60X60 sq. feet, and see what you "appear" to be doing as perceived by those walking by you.

They are all on order to stand the first twenty and last twenty of each hour and walk around the screening machines, which have been host to many thefts lately, most by TSA and other Airport employees.

Let's remember, the LAPD was ASKED by the GOVT. to place officers there in 02 AFTER a man walked up and killed three El Al employees at the Bradley terminal. LAPD did'nt use coercin or politics to get that deal, it came to the dept. Whether the deterrent has helped thwart active shooters or others intent on harming the airport or passengers, NONE of us here can say with stats to back it up either way.

As for the Dept. takeover, that was part of another plan that did'nt go through, as noted by DOA.


That said, let's not think all LAPD cops are lazy, or that LAX cops are always jumping on calls, taking reports handed to them either, it's a wash.

LAX PD is hiring more officers and will take over this function for good by next year.
I'm sure some high speed low drag officers will be formed from working those assignments every day:rolleyes:.

Bratton is in the process of wiping out all retired off duty movie gigs in the city and replacing them with active LAPD off duty cops via a computer based system that contacts interested officers to work the spots.

And I don't mind, I will always have the Dodgers, amazinig, no one calls us lazy over there, probably because we do earn our money keeping Raider Naition, "Doyers" fans in check

[DOAcop38]

senor "Gah'bage", appreciate the observations you have made- some quite to the point. the "reality" is that where you work ,people still believe in Police work and where I am, its all about "image"(the "sarge of reality" knows this is the same in his world-we both share the same boss, Tony Vato).the one reason LAPD has never been able to actually control what goes on out here is that the city, sad as it may seem, just doesn't "trust them".Its all about liability and image as I've said-they may be the big kid and defacto power of all things policing in So.Cal- short of LASD, but the "nod" nearly went to LASD if the Feds had the choice- the city proposed LAPD ,to quell any "concerns" about the "jr varsity" team screwing up something( but made sure they also LIMITED LAPD duties out here to prevent bigger screw ups).Funny thing was that when we got alot of the guys coming in from the different LAPD divisions, their initial attitude was that they were here to "do the job better", but they soon found out just how "auto pilot" the duties here were. It works like this - no one wants you in the way here UNTIL they call you -period. Leave the employees alone. don't jack up the dope addled stars . Don't pull over the foreign VIPs.Don't handcuff granny from Iowa for being crochitty.The guys who couldn't or wouldn't understand - were sent packing.when you are outside of the Airport itself , fine - be all the cop you can be, but once you hit that central terminal area, its all nice and PR UNTIL you are told otherwise.

Having sat in some of the Airline safety meetings,all I heard initially was the "concern" that LAPD would harass the airline personnel and how there would be issues of discourtesy by people who "didn't understand" how things worked out here .One of the silliest incidents I can recall was a city councilwoman getting upset when a vendor called her and told her that a "group" of officers had gotten greedy and overly "helped themselves" to some pastries and coffee at a shop that had been 459'd by some ramp rats (local dregs who work the tarmac loading bags) at a terminal .the first question the council person asked ," was it the officers with the patches(LAXPD) or the ones without(LAPD)? the ones with the patches know better"- the opinion was that somehow an LAPD officer was going to cost the city $$$$ in a lawsuit for "overeacting". I felt it was just as insulting to LAPD as it was when I had LAPD judging my guys like they were all Barney Fyfes (I had a Sgt actually ask me-"do you guys go to a police academy?" when I told him I did (didn't tell him it was LAPD academy), that same Sgt ,from Wilshire div I believe ,actually said ,"you guys have to know stuff like real cops too,huh?"....DUUUUHHHHHH !:rolleyes:



the Hadayyat shooting that Sarge referred to in 2002 at LAX was long predicted by everyone on the ground-LAXPD,LAPD, Customs,etc but civilian mgm't played dumb over the issue( didn't want a bunch of cops or security check points interfering with the "comfort of use and access" to the general public - criminals,crazies et al.) when the shooting occurred, LAXPD officers were on foot patrol less than 60 ft away,as were LAPD -LAX detail officers,as well as scores of armed customs and INS uniformed agents- NONE of them could have stopped it. NOT ONE. As we realize, L.E. is not often truly on the cutting edge of advanced techniques,and often the way we do things is predicated on how we've done things in the past.I can tell you the times when a young marine,or other miliary personnel has walked up to me here at LAX,and politely talked about what he sees and thinks would work to prevent a possible suicide -homicide bomber, even pointing out flawed activities officers from LAXPD or LAPD are doing out here.I usually take it to heart,even pass him a recruitment card-but I know that people in a paygrade beyond mine have their minds set on "how its going to be done"("patches or no shoulder patches") .


Do crimes happen all day long here at LAX- yeah, people are bold enough to even do them right in front of us.but when you are talking an area of less than 5 sq miles that nearly 200,000 people pass thru a day( 60+ milllion/yr thru a 10.5 sq mile patrol area)-and most of them are NOT violent ? you could be Superman or "J.C. the risen" himself,and folks here would only raise an eyebrow if you made a noise.Was it a help that extra LAPD personnel was here? Yes- yes it was. but like before, no one will really notice them gone ,and if anything the LAPD personnel situated routinely at LAX will go back to their own placcid lifestlye, happier that "unwanted brethren" and the occassional mgm't type won't be popping up to reign dept dogma and heap scrutiny on them.And just like before-as I've experienced for the last 20 yrs - nutjobs from around the world will still threaten to do "something" out here......

[Garbage Man]

Sgt Reality good to see your still here over-defending everything LAPD. If you read my post you would see that I was more criticizing us cops as a group, here is the excerpt from the post you didn’t read I guess.

Which sounds like exactly what I would be doing. there is nothing lazier than a cop on OT. I am no exception frankly and I dont know why that is.

I think as a rule the better cops are the ones whose mission is the LAX not the ones on OT or temprorarily assigned away from "real police work." Frankly The war on terror is very much on my mind, as I am sure, it is on everyone elses and I think, in a way, the LAXPD is more on the front lines of that war than most of us.

Well I am off to Reno for the burg det conference. see ya'll in a week.

[IMachU]

Get me a t-shirt please!! :D :D

[bigwillie909]

Sgt Reality good to see your still here over-defending everything LAPD. If you read my post you would see that I was more criticizing us cops as a group, here is the excerpt from the post you didn’t read I guess.

Which sounds like exactly what I would be doing. there is nothing lazier than a cop on OT. I am no exception frankly and I dont know why that is.

I think as a rule the better cops are the ones whose mission is the LAX not the ones on OT or temprorarily assigned away from "real police work." Frankly The war on terror is very much on my mind, as I am sure, it is on everyone elses and I think, in a way, the LAXPD is more on the front lines of that war than most of us.

Well I am off to Reno for the burg det conference. see ya'll in a week.


So how's Reno???

[IMachU]

So how's Reno???

Probably cold....I'm wondering if he sees a male police Lt named Dangle walking around in daisy dukes.:D

[bigwillie909]

Probably cold....I'm wondering if he sees a male police Lt named Dangle walking around in daisy dukes.:D


Haha! That would be funny!

Has anyone seen the new Fullerton PD "Deputy Travis Jr" ballistic vests over the uniform? How are they to work in??

[Sgt.Reality]

Hardly over defending Garden Grove, just answering up when you poke jabs at us because your agency took a couple of our loud mouthed, more bark than bite laterals and you want to broad brush the rest of us here for it. I won't stand for it, not now, not ever.

That said, re read my post and understand, asi I said it's a wash. I don't mind LAWA PD has the airport. DOA knows I disagree with him on a merger, I think it's better for overall interface, that debate will be never ending, and the reality is, it's a non issue now with voters in LA essentially killing it for a long time to come. DOA also knows I've been on both sides of specialty and general policing so I have some background to know what I'm talking about.


That said, again, it's a wash, LAWA's there and will continue to be, there are brain farts done by both sides at that airport, and we'll (LAWA/LAPD), simply continue to get along for the forseeable future, end of story.

[IMachU]

....snip.... simply continue to get along for the forseeable future, end of story.

There will never be an end to the convolution we all know as LAPD. I'm not bashing, sarge dude....

[Garbage Man]

Back from Reno... conference was OK. Weather was nice. No I didn't get any T-shirts.

Oh I see "Sarge Really" still needs to address me by my agency rather than my name. He can't get that it's not his agency Vs. mine. It's not me VS. him. It's his agency VS. every other agency that doesn't feel they should be looked down on by them. Here's a thought does anybody who works for an agency, other than LAPD, have a high opinion of LAPD? Anybody?

And my experiences are not limited to our laterals. I have had lots of dealing with your agency and have never been impressed. Do I keep missing the super bitchin' guys and some how have the same luck with the LAPD that I had this weekend with the roulette table? Maybe, but I doubt it.

Now I am not saying this to change your mine, I mean dude I get it, you drank the Cool-aid directly from the pitcher. I just love to tweak those who are over defensive and yes, you are that. On your bestest day LAPD is an average LA county agency, with the only exception being those units that would be part time units in other departments that can focus on their specialties alone. I am talking about SWAT and probably K-9. I am sure yours are tops.

So in summary, your SWAT and K-9 are great and your average cop is, well average, can you live with that? Peace in our time?

[pulicords]

GM- As an "outsider" who's been there in a way, let me throw a few things into the mix. I was employed by another agency, but worked with LAPD officers who'd lateraled to my department for years and was assigned to a multi-agency taskforce for four years, where I worked with LAPD officers and was supervised by LAPD DIIs, with LAPD Lts over them.

Individually, LAPD officers have been among the best and worst that I've worked with. In other words, they weren't any different from officers in my own department or others in So. CA: Some were good, some were so-so and some stunk. One thing they all had in common was that they believed LAPD was the best agency in the world if their only experience was LAPD. If they'd worked closely with "outside agencies" (something most LAPD cops don't have the ability to do), they learned quickly that the academy "koolaid" about being the "World's finest police department" was simply PR that didn't mean a thing.

Even most experienced LAPD officers (especially those working specialized details) will tell you that one of the department's biggest problems is it's insularity. LAPD officers generally don't have the ability to work and train with "outside agencies" because:
1) Their budget doesn't permit it.
2) It's such a large organization that they can move officers from division to division for "diversity" or department needs.

The result, is that LAPD personnel generally are inexperienced in dealing with other police agencies on a regular basis, learning how things are done elsewhere and learning about other departments' cultures. The L.A. County Sheriff's Department on the other hand has numerous agencies training with them from the start, frequently sends their people to other agencies' training programs, provides investigative (especially forensic) support and because of this, is generally more appreciative of other departments' qualities.

When I worked the taskforce, LAPD officers were shocked at the level of responsibilities and training I had prior to that assignment. I was surprised by the lack of expertise many of their officers had (even though they were seasoned investigators) in certain areas (ie: writing search warrants). One of the most significant things I learned during my tenure, was why. LAPD is so underfunded and undermanned, that they cannot spend the time, resources and efforts needed to deal with issues of crime that other (read: smaller) agencies do. Their officers and the department's culture takes pride in the fact that they do more with less. In fact (because of the poor officer to citizen ratio), I believe officers individually have less depth of experience and knowledge than officers from many (if not most) surrounding agencies. I don't blame the department or the individual officers, it's the City's "leaders" who set the budget priorities and unfortunately, the department has to make do with what they have.

Some special details (ie: SWAT) do have the advantage of being a full time assignment and (comparatively) more resources (cash), than those in neighboring jurisdictions. Those officers can and do look outside their own program to learn how others work and bring back new ideas to LAPD. Unfortunately, most officers don't have this advantage and when they promote, retain the insularity found throughout the department. The result is a culture that breeds the "if it wasn't invented here, it doesn't exist" mindset and (as many outsiders call it) the "LAPD syndrome." Some LAPD personnel, even go so far as to denounce those who leave the organization for "greener pastures" as being disloyal or of substandard quality. It just isn't necessarily so. I've worked with some great laterals who got out to get better pay, benefits, training and experience, and found all of them. I've also met losers who would be crappy officers in any department. Some left LAPD to come to our agency and others left our department to go to LAPD.

GB (regarding the culture of their department/officers); what else could you expect given the environment most LAPD officers are raised in? When I see examples of poor performance by individuals of the department, who sincerely believe the way they've been trained (the LAPD way) is the only way, I didn't get angry. I recognized over time, that if I had been "raised" in that environment, I might have been the same way. I'm sure Sgt. Reality is doing the best job, in the best place, for the best police department he knows. More power to him, but if he really believes that LAPD or any other police department is the "best in the world" than perhaps he can quantify that for the rest of us. It's like religion. It's all about faith and unfortunately there are those zealots everywhere, who can't see beyond their "one true religion."

[Berlioz]

Why can't we be friends...why can't we be friends?

:D

[CA Cop]

LAPD should take over the Airport PD, just like what we (SFPD) did with the San Francisco International Airport PD, it's a win win situation for all. I believe LAPD is one of the finest PD's in the nation, right next to SFPD and NYPD. Out of the three (4 letter) most well known agencies, guess who makes the most money? SFPD!

[pulicords]

Yea, that's one thing we can say about those on the left- The less they want us to do, the more they pay us not to do it! :rolleyes:

[WPD954]

:LAPD should take over the Airport PD, just like what we (SFPD) did with the San Francisco International Airport PD, it's a win win situation for all. I believe LAPD is one of the finest PD's in the nation, right next to SFPD and NYPD. Out of the three (4 letter) most well known agencies, guess who makes the most money? SFPD!

they HAVE to pay you, look at your cost of living......:rolleyes:

[DOAcop38]

LAPD should take over the Airport PD, just like what we (SFPD) did with the San Francisco International Airport PD, it's a win win situation for all. I believe LAPD is one of the finest PD's in the nation, right next to SFPD and NYPD. Out of the three (4 letter) most well known agencies, guess who makes the most money? SFPD!

Please keep your "up north-we hate the south" mindset where it is- in San fran Freako! NO- LAPD "should NOT take over the L.A. Airport PD"! what works for LAPD doesn't always work elsewhere and LAPDs formula of policing and deployment does NOT meet the requirement of the TSA and FAA ( currently).LAPD should,as it has been, be deployed when needed to LAX, and on occassional OT during hight traffic and passenger periods,like christmas and terror threats.Funny, but the only reason your dept. "took over" the Airport was because the city owned the airport ( actually 13 miles outside of the city of San Francisco,and within another L.E. agencies jurisdiction )and there were issues of hiring,compensation and adequate deployment of the former SF airport PD officers .with a higher pay in to the retirement plan,and with barely a 5% pay increase, it is NOT a "win- win" situation.Maybe one day the LAPD will take over Policing at LAX, and absorb the current (500),and soon to be (600) officer dept,which would make them responsible for (2) general use and (2) international airports,with jurisdiction in (2) seperate counties, but for right now- it just isn't going to happen.Most LAPD officers could care less about policing in or around the Airport( middle class westchester and playa del rey) unless they are "burnt out" or looking to slow down, and quite a few Airport cops don't want to get wheeled out late in their careers to push a patrol car in 3rd world crap holes like "rampart div", South East, Newton ,or footthill area.

LAPD is a fine organization unto itself, but - unlike policing a 50 sq mile city( San francisco), patrolling almost 470 sq miles is totally different; having worked a recent task force in several divisions fo LAPD, they are already overswamped on basic "blood and screams" calls, and most assuredly any extra bodies that would be available at LAX,where the avg call is a lowgrade "415" man or a "242 in progress", would be sent away from LAX to those high priority calls,leaving a sour taste in the mouths of local residents, airlines, businesses and passengers. LAPD helped "kill" the cities' transit police (LAC-MTAPD) and they FAILED miserably at providing direct transit policing services(LASD now does the job)- the track record of handling specific district policing speaks for itself-Which is WHY they have never been able to take over the L.A.city schools PD and the LA PORT PD), and it is something of a low priority to LAPD,who often have more pressing crime issues to deal with-plain and simple....

[DOAcop38]

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they HAVE to pay you, look at your cost of living......:rolleyes:

the COL is alot higher in the bay area than in the so.Cal area-the money for LAPD($57K to $92K/yr),LASD($56K to$95K) .Glendale PD ( $63K to $98K/yr) ,Santa Ana PD($64K to $100K) and even LAXPD($60K to $89K/yr) and other area agencies actually goes farther here than pay for officers up there.........

[pulicords]

Come on now DOA! We know you're just envious because SF's got an even more liberal city council than what's in Los Angeles! ;) Living large in the Bay area with Obama as president, Gavin Newsome as governor and working under a tough chief like Fong is your dream come true! :D

[FortLoddy]

LAPD should take over the Airport PD, just like what we (SFPD) did with the San Francisco International Airport PD, it's a win win situation for all. I believe LAPD is one of the finest PD's in the nation, right next to SFPD and NYPD. Out of the three (4 letter) most well known agencies, guess who makes the most money? SFPD!

lots of freaks in your city AND airport. I bet you enjoy that :D

[CA Cop]

I never say anything negative about southern California, I actually have a lot of respect for LAPD police officers. Can't say the same for Airport security guards.

Before some of you guys respond, try doing some real police work first. SF is the 2nd largest municipal police department in CA, right behind LAPD. We have a population of over 750,000, unlike some of you guys with less than 100,000. We average over 2 MILLION calls for service a year.

If you think it's a cake walk here in SF, look at Officer Down and you will see how many SFPD officers have paid the ultimate price for serving our community.

Mr. DOA, I've noticed you harbor some grudges against LAPD, maybe it's because you couldn't get hired with them.

[Garbage Man]

Compared to me DOA loves the LAPD and I never applied with them. In fact LAPD is probably the only agency in the so cal I havent applied with. Even when I was desperate I never considered it. Following your theory I should have resentment towards tons of places I have no feelings for what so ever.

My problem with the LAPD is is similar to what I imagine I would complain about in your agency. The people running it havent a clue, and the cops working there have no idea what being a cop elsewhere is like so they think that doing it wrong is the right way.


And being busier does not make you better. Agencies policing cities that arent out of control do tons of stuff the busier cops just dont have time for. CSI, in depth investigations, using interviews to solve crime series, proactivly policing your beat ECT ECT.

[bigcitypolice06]

I'm sorry but there is something to be said for a department that has only 9500 sworn personnel and is able to police an area that is as large, diverse and has the crime problems of any large city. True while LAPD patrol officers may not have the broad range or scope of skills that other officer's in smaller departments are forced to have they have access to resources small dept's could only dream about.( mental evaluation teams for 5150’s, multiple air units, dive teams, K-9, Swat, Metro, the Animal cruelty task force, Anti –terrorist, Jewelry Heist team, Fugitive Warrant Section the list goes on…) Also there is something to be said about experience, most first year LAPD officers have seen and done more than many small dept officers will do in 5 years. I'm not saying its better but there is something there.

As for proactively policing your area, I know many LAPD coppers that love nothing more than snooping around during their downtime. If the department were as bad and the officer's as incompetent as you believe I imagine that the crime rate would be exploding...however it is not. Also if we were all lazy and bad cops how on earth do we manage to handle 5000+ radio calls a day? You say that " the cops working there have no idea what being a cop elsewhere is like so they think that doing it wrong is the right way." you don't work in a city near the size of LA is it possible that your way of doing police work might be the "wrong way" to do it in a place like LA? In reality we realize we are just a band-aid trying to stop a sucking chest wound and that’s why we have adopted the tactics and methods we use, they may be better in some ways and worse in others, but it’s what works in LA.

Every department has the opportunity (and the mandate) to develop a method of policing that best suits the community they serve whether it be LAXPD serving the airport, School PD for LAUSD or a small OC PD doing what’s best for their citizens.. All I'm saying is unless you have been in our shoes and dealt with what we do (both on the inside and the outside) don’t be so quick to criticize us and how we do our jobs...or the quality of officers we are.

[FortLoddy]

Mr. DOA, I've noticed you harbor some grudges against LAPD, maybe it's because you couldn't get hired with them.

Actually it sounds like you have something against LAPD, maybe it's because you couldn't get hired with them so you feel the need to come to an LAPD thread and stir the pot.

Don't you SF guys have your own forums? Get outta heeeerrrrreeeeee :D

[LA DEP]

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!!!:D

bawahahahahahahah.......

[WPD954]

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!!!:D

bawahahahahahahah.......

damn....LA DEP, you stole my thunder.....lol :D

[Berlioz]

damn....LA DEP, you stole my thunder.....lol :D

Actually, you both stole mine. :rolleyes:

[LA DEP]

^^^^^^^^^

Nah, you had posted yours before the lastest broadside was fired......:D

[DOAcop38]

Come on now DOA! We know you're just envious because SF's got an even more liberal city council than what's in Los Angeles! ;) Living large in the Bay area with Obama as president, Gavin Newsome as governor and working under a tough chief like Fong is your dream come true! :D

Puli- How many times must I tell you- I'm a "democrat" ,not a LIBERAL! ( Don't like NUISANCE Newsome, Only voting for Obama 'cause I'm scared McCain will kick over from stress in the White House, and would personally PUNCH "Baby butch" Fong in the face!).........

[DOAcop38]

I never say anything negative about southern California, I actually have a lot of respect for LAPD police officers. Can't say the same for Airport security guards.

LOLOLOLOL!! ,,eerrr NO- far from a security guard !!! is that the BEST you can do????,I've heard tha lame joke from alot of HALF ASSED cops for yrs, and still I've got my 10851 VC pin 2X over , hooked 100s of thugged out felons, and probably booked and recovered MORE DOPE than you'll ever see jacking pizz bums and crackheads with skidrow cooties in the tenderloin or hunters point and BTW, we don't have to kiss butt to every freak and creep like you DO in San Fran Freako( was up their in '99 and watched two of your "community cops" take to "draggies" to the BART; they probably asked those 6'2" Queenies with weenies for a DATE after dropping them off- uuugghh:confused:


Before some of you guys respond, try doing some real police work first. SF is the 2nd largest municipal police department in CA, right behind LAPD. We have a population of over 750,000, unlike some of you guys with less than 100,000. We average over 2 MILLION calls for service a year.

And Mommy, errr "daddy", eerrr " domestic partner parental unit Heather Fong makes sure that many of those 2 million calls for service are BUTTWIPER, make the public happy calls( Ol Heather makes you CLOWNS march inthe "comptons cafeteria riots" commeration parade ,forgetting that the local hippy and gay freakos KICKED the sh*t out of your officers in that frackus ).and actually,I'd say San diego PD is the second largest municipal agency in the state -2K officers + and 1.3 million folks. where I work ,we have patrol assignments across the whole city and deal with over 61 Million folks here on a yrly basis ,with an avg of 200K a day + an addition 70KJ populace around the airport- besides you probably work a station or div that DOES NOT cover that 750K total populace, so how are you any different from any cop who works a city that has 100K or more persons. The LAPD div in which I work has over 250K people and that isn't even the largest area to patrol...........


If you think it's a cake walk here in SF, look at Officer Down and you will see how many SFPD officers have paid the ultimate price for serving our community.

oooh, borther- shows how C.S. you are -when Isaac Espinoza passed in the line of duty, my officers were at the memorial and MADE DAMN sure we gave our condolences to his family.no one here ever disputed it that SFPD officers have it tough-(what makes you think others don't ??) but man up and stop being a clown! Getting made because you got called on the mat for talking about something YOU KNOW NOTHING about ,especially in an issue thats basically a " family dispute" (LAXPD and LAPD- city of L.A. policing) that has been worked out already, makes you look more of a moron than any of your petty "security guard" disses ever could )LAPD and even LASD can get away with it once in a while, but you??? at least when I look over my back ,they'll be HERE to back me and you'll be 500+ miles away posing for PR photos with trannies.........


Mr. DOA, I've noticed you harbor some grudges against LAPD, maybe it's because you couldn't get hired with them.


You are even more clueless !! SAME CITY,SAME BACKGROUND,SAME TRAINING- all it would take is to "ask" for an intercity transfer; BUT ask yourself WHY there are sooo FEW laterals to SFPD????? whatever grudges you "think" I have are minor issues,that you have no real understanding of, and most assuredly it isn't about feelings of being less than any dept or not being able to measure up (my POST carries just as much weight as yours)

[FortLoddy]

Well said DOA! I was waiting for your response to CA Cop!

[IMachU]

DOA, you have earned MAJOR respect on that reply (you had it already from me brother!!). Why would ANYONE diss a department on the other side of a huge state like CA, that they have no idea about and have never talked to before anyway? Really.....

[MT2658]

I can't afford to rent $5 dvd's at blockbuster anymore so I just come on and watch DOA's posts for a good laugh. My fav line "probably booked and recovered MORE DOPE than you'll ever see jacking pizz bums and crackheads with skidrow cooties in the tenderloin or hunters point and BTW, we don't have to kiss butt to every freak and creep like you DO in San Fran Freako( was up their in '99 and watched two of your "community cops" take to "draggies" to the BART; they probably asked those 6'2" Queenies with weenies for a DATE after dropping them off- uuugghh" LOL

[CA Cop]

,I'd say San diego PD is the second largest municipal agency in the state -2K officers + and 1.3 million folks.

Mr. DOA, check your facts before you talk your talk. SFPD has approximately 2300 sworn officers. The population of 750,000, excludes tourists and people commuting from other cities into work in SF, the total daily population is approximately 1.2 million. San Diego has approximately 2000 sworn officers, which places them at the #3 spot.

You talk like you have done it all, when in fact, you are just an airport security guard.

SFPD has a full-time SWAT/Tactical team, 10 district stations, Treasure Island & Airport, numerous other special assignments including mounted patrol, K-9's, bomb squad, MUNI, solos and Hondas, a POST academy, etc..

What does your agency have? A small substation at the airport, playing cops! I'm done talking to you Mr. DOA, I have real police work to do.

[FortLoddy]

I have real police work to do.

And what would that be? Bending over for Chief - I can't qualify with my own service weapon - Fong?

You are definitley an LAPD reject....sad really.

[COJO2]

what's with all the tension?

[IMachU]

Mr. DOA, check your facts before you talk your talk. SFPD has approximately 2300 sworn officers. The population of 750,000, excludes tourists and people commuting from other cities into work in SF, the total daily population is approximately 1.2 million. San Diego has approximately 2000 sworn officers, which places them at the #3 spot.

You talk like you have done it all, when in fact, you are just an airport security guard.

SFPD has a full-time SWAT/Tactical team, 10 district stations, Treasure Island & Airport, numerous other special assignments including mounted patrol, K-9's, bomb squad, MUNI, solos and Hondas, a POST academy, etc..

What does your agency have? A small substation at the airport, playing cops! I'm done talking to you Mr. DOA, I have real police work to do.

Why must you continue your insults? You started this by insulting DOA's agency, which you clearly know nothing about. Do the right thing and end it. You are showing your true colors, which is leading many to doubt your actual sworn status, as well as making your agency look bad. Let it go man.

[Garbage Man]

Why must you continue your insults? You started this by insulting DOA's agency, which you clearly know nothing about. Do the right thing and end it. You are showing your true colors, which is leading many to doubt your actual sworn status, as well as making your agency look bad. Let it go man.

Answer... he is a troll. He doesnt work for SFPD or anywhere else. No cop would dismiss another agency like that for no valid reason. He knows what DOAs buttons are and he is firing him up. Look at this thread, who has trashed the big agencies more, me, or DOA. Answer...its me. So why pick on DOA? actually he has been fairly respectfull of the LAPD, but because he is employed by a specialty department (Like, for example, the CHP) its an easy hook.

[YippieKiYeah]

"I have real police work to do.[/QUOTE]


If the SF boy wants to compare it shows his lack of common sense. From having been trained and worked in Caliornia and going to another state you can appreciate how well-trained someone coming out of a California police academy is, no matter the agency. For the SF dude to spout off reveals a serious character flaw.

[YippieKiYeah]

Does size really matter??

[pulicords]

You talk like you have done it all, when in fact, you are just an airport security guard.

SFPD has a full-time SWAT/Tactical team, 10 district stations, Treasure Island & Airport, numerous other special assignments including mounted patrol, K-9's, bomb squad, MUNI, solos and Hondas, a POST academy, etc..

The above kinda looks like a "wish list" to me. :rolleyes: CA Cop (if you are one), just because an agency has some nice details, doesn't mean you can get them. It's just as possible to get pigeon holed in some pogue position. That's one nice thing about larger departments, they can have you working as a kiddie cop, sorting subpoenas as a court liaison, or ordering pens, pencils and whiteout for a few years if you're "extra salty."

If your claim of "10 years experience" is truthful, I doubt you'd be so quick to judge other officers and their agencies from hundreds of miles away, with little or no personal experience. There's posers just about everywhere. :rolleyes:

[IMachU]

Well put, puli!!

[DOAcop38]

Mr. DOA, check your facts before you talk your talk. SFPD has approximately 2300 sworn officers. The population of 750,000, excludes tourists and people commuting from other cities into work in SF, the total daily population is approximately 1.2 million. San Diego has approximately 2000 sworn officers, which places them at the #3 spot.

Funny- for someone so PROUD of your municipal PD status , you come off as a "second or third" rater! you NEVER hear someone from LAPD talking about how great they are compared to ,say, NYPD. or someone from LASD or Alameda Co.Sheriffs try and compare themselves as being the "2nd or 3rd largest or BEST" to Chicago PD or cook co.sheriffs !!! The only REASON your #s put you in that #3 catagory for a municipal agency in CA is that San diego has had a loss in officers due to economy,In reality ,your jurisdiction is only 1/2 larger than mine, and we ( my dept) patrols that with nearly 1/4 the amount of officers you patrol with !


You talk like you have done it all, when in fact, you are just an airport security guard.

Actually ,after nearly 20 yrs on the job, I have( from a patrol officers perspective)- nothing to brag about , 'cause its something ANY officer out there and actually "working" will experience- some faster ,like a copper working LAPDs 77th div or Long Beach PD, or LASD Compton,or Richmond PD , some slower, like an officer working San Marino PD or Coronado PD-all will get there.In my time ,I've worked burglary /auto theft teams, parolee abatement unit, plain clothes,FTO, academy training unit, detective liaison, and CSI. right now I'm on the list for detectives in the DEA/Task force; BUT how is this any different from any other officers experience with TIME on the job .

I have been fortunate enough to have received some of the BEST primary academy training in the state - from LAPD Basic academy & LAPD FTO school, and some of the BEST AOT training( LASD, Orange Co, Riverside Co. Academies, FBI and DEA, as well as DOJ- Ca.Atty's) to name a few. I am a member of CNOA, POALAC, Oscar Joel Bryant foundation, and LALEY. I have over (72) commendations,including 2 from the Mayors office,(1) from former Gov Pete wilson (2) from the FBI -West L.A. (1) from Former LASD Sheriff Sherman Block , and the rest from an alphabet soup of Local,State ,federal ,other so.Co and even a few Eastcoast L.E. agencies for participating in details, task forces or conducting investigations and arrests that have led to CONVICTIONS of serious criminal elements.I have testified in at least 8 capital offense trials, have been in court from chula Vista to Oakland, and in federal court in the 8,9,10th districts.I can happily send you my "curriculum vitae" if you doubt it, and you can wipe your butt with it or choke on it ,or maybe- if your ego can bare it, LEARN and try to emulate the training and experience i've been able to gather .but again, like alot of my colleagues ,here, given enough time and experience you'll either gather the same or MORE experience. I guess i've done alot for "mere security guard", but the next time I make the mistake of being in SF,I'll probably be armed and carrying my badge,and there will be NOTHING you can do ,'cept call me a "guard"( ouch, ohh ,my! "that hurts" my feelings so much..... not)


SFPD has a full-time SWAT/Tactical team, 10 district stations, Treasure Island & Airport, numerous other special assignments including mounted patrol, K-9's, bomb squad, MUNI, solos and Hondas, a POST academy, etc..

What does your agency have? A small substation at the airport, playing cops! I'm done talking to you Mr. DOA, I have real police work to do.

As a recent movie character was quoted as saying, "so what do you want me to do, give you a cookie?" Now after spouting all those units a large dept should have- HOW many have you worked in your vaunted 10 yr career??? If you say them all- you are 1) a superstar like your " one trick wonder Chief Fong( wasn't her claim to fame the china town gang shoot out? all she did was translate,and her desk seat promotions were assured!) or 2) you are the biggest self hyped , do nothing the world of L.E. has seen- can't bounce around in alot of assignments and really get good at them,let alone be that proficient ! The sad part of CA. L.E. is that with soo many old hands retiring, the "babies" are literally running the organizations. 2 yr FTOs ,3-5 yr Sgts, 3 yr Dets,so alot of them THINK they are super stars- and with that comes the ego that any one else not in the warm seat promotions or duty jumping every month , is some how inferior. With *(10) yrs on ,you should know better, and not have such an ego. Currently my Dept has a 12 officer, 2 supvs Full time SRT/SWAT unit(LASD-SEB trained and routinely cross trains with FBI, LAPD, and local So,Bay Depts) we have a strong motors unit of 20 + officers, one of the largest k-9 units for the area(20)+ bomb detection and patrol, a strong and focussed Dets unit- which is both trained and works with LAPD and FBI, and a myriad of specialty units to get the job done.But then again alot of smaller agencies( do you LOOK down on them also?) and specialized Depts( bet you try and talk trash about the BART and EBRPD PD too!) have them- its part of the"job".

Funny but whenever some has to emphasize "how much work" he or she does, it usually means they really aren't ( office drone is what you sound like) while there are specialized dept officers and supervisors here, many don't beat their chests, even when ego blustering about how boffo there depts are, about the work- it comes to all and can be harsh and tiresome.Sgt Reality -LAPD( and I believe I know who he is, from working together- good guy) proudly brags about working the Metro div of LAPD,and sometimes clowns other depts- his "B" team is currently training across from my substation- assigned to provide patrol services to area residential parts of my patrol jurisdiction, and 2 miles from my main patrol station or the 5 story command station- but you will NEVER hear him claim that he has "so much real police work" to do.ditto Garbage man or anyone else. Down here in the "south" - thats expected, whether you are a super SWAT guy, or a lowly park patrolman, a School or College cop,or a ghetto gun slinger,OR an "airport security guard"( is that what you call your fellow SFPD guys at SFO??)- its the SAME "ocean" that the felons are swiming in and theres plenty of "hooks" for everyone. As I said earlier- you can't talk about WHAT you don't know, but if you can pull your nose from fongs "hershey rd". come on down and we'll set you up for a ride along, so you can "really see".........

[FortLoddy]

Very nice DOA! You really know how to express yourself well in writing.

I enjoyed reading your post!

[mdrdep]

Since you obviously want to discredit a well respected member of this board (DOACOP), I'll open the school house. First let me introduce myself, I have almost 20 years with LASD (you know the largest or 2nd largest agency in the state, but that really doesn't matter). I've worked all 3 patrol regions at several different stations including some of our busiest. Been there done that got the t-shirt.

My current station runs pretty close to DOA'S area, so I might know a thing or two about his agency, since we deal with them from time to time. LAWA has a full service POLICE dept. Note that is important it will be on the test later, the answer was POLICE, not SECURITY. Their area of responsibility includes all LAWA property, which is actually a bit larger than their already large airport, you know the largest in CA. It also includes a residential district owned by LAWA (OMG they might actually do "real" police work) next to the airport area. There area also includes Ontario International Airport in San Bernardino County and Palmdale Airport (AKA Compton North). Their Cadets go to a real police academy (currently LAPD but they have gone to others we had 3 LAXPD cadets in my LASD Academy Class). The 105 Fwy also happens to dump out right into their area leading onto Dockweiler (aka Thugweiler) beach. The 105 freeway if you don't know is the route of choice for all the fine law abiding citizens from Compton and other nefarious South Central neighborhoods to spread their special choice of love.

But hey that's okay you live in your fantasy world there, personally I'll trust DOA to have my back when the poop hits the fan over somebody like you.

[FortLoddy]

This fella has runaway. No responses from him. I don't think he realized what he was getting himself into by stirring the pot here.

For the sake of other Bay Area Cops I hope he's just a fake and not a real LEO. His attitude is really poor.....

....would hate to be teamed up with him.

[LA DEP]

Its all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out......most of the back and forth between us here in the LA area is good natured......

That being said, I'm also going to step up to the plate here......DOAcop and I are on (usually) polar opposites on most issues......but I'm not going to let some knucklehead call him an 'airport security guard'...I consider him and EVERY other LEO here in the LA area to be a brother or sister....they are family, we will DIE to protect one another if required.....you obviously know diddly poo about what law enforcement in LA is like.........you can be working a 'nice' or 'slow' (if such an area exists in the LA Basin) area, and you will still be encountering gang members pretty much every damn day......

That agency lost a fine officer a couple of years ago doing POLICE WORK......that agency has been involved in more than a few OIS incidents while conducting POLICE WORK.......they are also the number one terrorist target here in the LA area....they WILL be hit again, sooner or later......

Like MDRdep, I also have 20 years on......over 16 in a radio car......you want to compare scars, I'm up for that.......:cool:

I would MUCH rather have him backing me than you......I'll quit venting so I dont get a vacation from the black helicopters......

[pulicords]

I'm 13 years old, like to watch cops on TV all the time and think San Francisco must be the best police department in the world because Dirty Harry works there! :)

Edited to add: From DOAcop38- "I have over (72) commendations,including 2 from the Mayors office,(1) from former Gov Pete wilson (2) from the FBI -West L.A. (1) from Former LASD Sheriff Sherman Block , and the rest from an alphabet soup of Local,State ,federal ,other so.Co and even a few Eastcoast L.E. agencies for participating in details, taks forces or conducting investigations and arrests that have led to CONVICTIONS of serious criminal elements.I have testified in at least 8 capital offense trials, have been in court from chula Vista to Oakland, and in federal court in the 8,9,10th districts." (DOA, Just how many parkers have you written? Kidding!)

[mdrdep]

Its all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out......most of the back and forth between us here in the LA area is good natured......

That being said, I'm also going to step up to the plate here......DOAcop and I are on (usually) polar opposites on most issues......but I'm not going to let some knucklehead call him an 'airport security guard'...I consider him and EVERY other LEO here in the LA area to be a brother or sister....they are family, we will DIE to protect one another if required.....you obviously know diddly poo about what law enforcement in LA is like.........you can be working a 'nice' or 'slow' (if such an area exists in the LA Basin) area, and you will still be encountering gang members pretty much every damn day......

That agency lost a fine officer a couple of years ago doing POLICE WORK......that agency has been involved in more than a few OIS incidents while conducting POLICE WORK.......they are also the number one terrorist target here in the LA area....they WILL be hit again, sooner or later......

Like MDRdep, I also have 20 years on......over 16 in a radio car......you want to compare scars, I'm up for that.......:cool:

I would MUCH rather have him backing me than you......I'll quit venting so I dont get a vacation from the black helicopters......


LADEP funny you mention it, the memorial plaque to that LAXPD officer is something I take my trainees by to remind them of the seriousness of our profession. It's placed at the location he died on.

I sometimes consider my current assignment as retirement in place compared to the other stations I've worked, however I'm in daily contact with rollin 60's and p-stone on a daily basis. So while it seems like a kick back assignment compared to my past, someobdy that works podunk PD still dosen't see what I do on a daily basis

[DOAcop38]

I'm 13 years old, like to watch cops on TV all the time and think San Francisco must be the best police department in the world because Dirty Harry works there! :)

,,,,,,, (DOA, Just how many parkers have you written? Kidding!)

Must you "traumatize me again" -LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! Thats
WHY we'd arrest anyone, including Granny back in the day !!!! impounding 5-10 cars a nite ,choking on car fumes and 415 stress cases looking for their grandparents,and writing @#%#@%^% friggin' 3 dozen of those "pinkies" would drive anyone to HUNT for the nearest "10-15" they can find...

with all due respect, the reality of it is that some depts are on the FRONT PAGE in terms of work and responsibility(LASD,LAPD,SDPD,OCSD,ACSO, SFPD,etc) but that cuase they HAVE to be- even the "jr varsity" can rarely run( although some might) from that "police work" monster...... The issue of LAPD at LAX is a "Dead issue"- LAPD has had a historic presence here since the days of " mobster squad ", that will never change-and since we are now (500+) "gimps" sluggin' around a 10.5 sq mi. jurisidiction, crime will be relatively LOW for many moons to come..