NYPD School Safety

[DEcop989]

e d i t e d . . . .

[gbotj]

There are SSA's on here, but they are full peace officers (on duty and off) they carry ASP batons, OC spray, cuffs etc no firearm. Academy is sort of like an abbreviated NYPD academy for 3 months. They do answer 911 calls I think for anything related to schools. The red/white lights are mainly for traffic stops, pickups, and anything they would have to get through traffic or be visable for.

Why dont you apply for NYC DEP Police, & NYPD?

[ImportInvasion]

Been on the job for a couple of years now. Its a good job. Plenty of LE work, and you will get to meet some of our most prized gang members. Biggest issue is the pay. There is plenty of OT, plus arrest OT, but base pay needs to be better. We respond to school jobs, and jobs originating around the schools. However, our jurisdiction is citywide, and we often find ourselves handling pick up jobs. It is an interesting job really, but make sure you can live on this pay. Plus, looks great on a resume for other higher paying LE jobs. If you have more questions, and want to know more PM me. BY THE WAY, we are way down on officers, so now is a good time to apply for the test. :D

[SHAUNMMC]

Does SSA have same policies at PO's?

Such as the 5-year gap for arrest's?

[ImportInvasion]

Im not exactly sure what you mean by having the same policies as p.o's? We are given peace officer status in NYC which means that we can effect warrentless arrests. Our jurisdiction is citywide contrary to most peoples beliefs. Which means that for the average new yorker who commits a crime in front of that traffic enforcement vehicle, better be SURE it is a traffic vehicle. Many arrests have been made this way, just because people didnt know that school safety could arrest them. We are held to basically the same regulations as regular police officers, and follow the same patrol guide. Making collars is a normal part of our everyday jobs, and injuries happen all the time. The job is not without risks, and unfortunately we do not get the same pay as police officers. Most of the benefits are the same though, and we have plenty of OT to fill our pockets. The job is great experience. If we could only get a decent contract most people would never leave this job. Mayor are you listening??? :confused:

[Spec VVV]

Whats "library Police"?

[NYCAPO]

Whats "library Police"?

http://www.dc37.net/news/PEP/1_2008/security.html

They are peace officers who protect and enforce laws at libraries.

[gbotj]

they are special patrolmen who work in NYC's public library. They are basically like library security who are cops...if that makes any sense.

[ItIsWhatItIs73]

school safety carries asps and oc spray and does traffic stops? i have never seen them carrying any of that

[gbotj]

(While a cop may arrest someone on the basis of suspicion, a peace officer needs probable cause — a concrete reason — to detain someone.)


woahhhh this was taken from that site. TOTALLY INCORRECT! A Police Officer and Peace Officer BOTH need probably cause to make an arrest. And why does it say a police officer can ARREST someone on suspicion, and a peace officer can DETAIN someone on probable cause??

People have no clue as to what a peace officer is.
They talked about a civilian arrest and that the state will back a peace officer. Well theres a big difference between an arrest by a peace officer and an arrest by a civilian. Civilians just sign a form, and the police officer will take it from there. The PO will fingerprint, write up the paperwork and all that stuff. A peace officer does everything himself from charges, meeting with the ADA, fingerprinting, 61's. The whole 9 yards.

The only damn difference is a peace officer cant kick down doors (thanks TNT for that phrase, I use it alot lol)!

[gbotj]

school safety carries asps and oc spray and does traffic stops? i have never seen them carrying any of that

I seem to remember reading about there training in OC, and Baton tactics. The car stops, I guess they can do, they are peace officers, not sure if PD gives them summons books.

[NYCAPO]

According to Wikipedia, "In 2005, SSTU plans to implement a new curriculum for School Safety Agents that more accurately reflects the day-to-day functions of a School Safety Agent. A pilot program for baton training for School Safety Agents Level 2 assigned to the Mobile Task Force has also been approved and training will commence during 2005."

So the batons were implemented into School Safety fairly recently. I haven't read anything about OC spray though.

[SHAUNMMC]

My question was too vague..

When applying for NYPD Police officer there is a policy that an applicant who has been previously arrested cannot be hired unless there is a 5-year gap with date of arrest and date of hire. I was curious to know if that same policy applies to school safety agents?


Thanks

[gbotj]

Since SSA is a sworn position, I'm pretty sure the 5 year rule is in effect.

[DEcop989]

e d i t e d . . . .

[DEcop989]

O - how long is the hiring process? I signed up to take the December Test today.

[NYCTNT]

Nah no spray.

The SSA's have a segregated academic area in the academy, and I do not think they partake in much/or any gym.

Summonses? I dont know anything about this. Arrests? Many precinct SSA supervisors allow their SSA's to process their perps. Some, that are very shorthanded, turn them over to the precinct youth officer for further processing. It is common practice and dont be surprised if it happens to you.




GBOTJ, good job! LOL.

[gbotj]

ahahaha, TNT, You have no idea how many times I've used that statement. Its alot easier and to the point than running through the whole thing.

[DEcop989]

Can you explain that one to me. You mean Sergeants give orders not to arrest?

[gbotj]

in NYC a boss must validate a collar, this goes for NYPD, TBTA, SSA, DEP Police etc. The boss can say "no good, let him go" or "hes good to go".

[DEcop989]

Are you serious? Here in DE it's actually against POST policy. No superior can invalidate an arrest once it's made. He can recommend, but no order can be given except in the case of an extreme emergency to release someone once held by the arresting officer.


Damn.


But I could live with that,

So I'm hearing what on the way of equipment?

Baton - ?
Spray?
Cuffs - Yes - everyone agrees.

[gbotj]

maybe an NYPD cop can elaborate, but yes a Sgt must validate the collar.

[ImportInvasion]

Equipment? As of this current time we do not carry asp or spray. We are currently fighting for asp though, and it was approved, however everyones dragging their feet with regards due to the very political nature of what we do. I'm sure everyone here can see why this job is so political. Most people dont even want us around until the s**t hits the fan. We are a necessary evil in their eyes. Carrying an ASP is urgently needed right now, but not so much for the purpose of arresting a student, but more so as protection against the arrest situations that occur while on patrol. We deal with perps of all ages, stages, and gang affiliations. Our training is typical NYPD procedure, and we use our discretion when handling situations. Remember your radio/backup is how we win out here. We currently carry NYPD Radios linked to our central dispatcher, maglite flashlight (can be used for protection in extreme situations), cuffs (usually two or more due to the large crowds we deal with), search gloves, cell phone, latex gloves, vests can be worn at all times. Spray would not be too helpful for us, as we have had situations where spray was released in a school. It is never pretty, and usually results in 10 or more to the hospital. I wouldnt want to be the one to release it, and have to explain the result. Arrests? Happens all the time, and sometimes you have to take more than one perp. Situations where you have 5 or more collars going out are common. We handle every step of the arrest process ourselves. The only time we give up our collars to a regular cop is if we are shorthanded, and cannot leave a post. Otherwise, we handle our own business. Yes a sgt can order you to release a collar, but to be honest I've never seen it happen. That open the AO to possible legal action, and why would we want to do that? Like I said before, most people will never really understand what it is we do, or know the various types of collars we take until they experience it themselves. Our academy is about four months, and involves both classroom and PT. Out PT is 3 hours every single day, and involves alot of running and tactics. Expect to run, and then run some more. By the time you graduate you will love to run. :D

[Jayc6018]

Maybe SSA's should get low voltage tasers. I use to work in the dept of ed and was cool with a couple of SSA's, they deal with a lot of bull****

[NYCTNT]

A supervisor must be aware of an arrest and that basically "validates" the arrest.

All you must really do is make the supervisor aware of what you got and your done.

Techinically, a supervisor must VERIFY the arrest, but letting them know is good enough.

[gbotj]

TNT, I thought verifying/validating the arrest were the same thing. Is that the case?

[NYCTNT]

It is, but once the SGT knows what your about, you are good to go with a notification.

[DEcop989]

Ok - here's a rather simple question. Does an SSA introduce himself as Agent or Officer?

[NYCTNT]

Their title is SSA, they refer themselves to SSO's and everyone else calls them security.

"school security"

"security guard"

"school guard"

Sorry to be blunt, but be prepared when you hear that and dont be upset.

I noticed you are applying to all of these lower-paying L/E jobs. You do realize rent is typically in the $1000 per month range for a 1 bedroom in NYC?

It is going to be hard if you are solo and get hired by one of these agencies you are applying to.

[DEcop989]

e d i t e d . . . .

[gbotj]

You should have thought about this move about a year ago.

In the past year and a half, NYSP, FDNY, PAPD, NCPD, SCPD, TBTA, MTAPD all gave exams and they give exams only once every 4 years. Your only options will be smaller agencies, or NYPD.
I suggest taking the NYS Park Police exam this november. The physical will not be until spring/summer 2009 and the next academy will not be until November 2009 (for that exam). Everyone who passes gets processed within a year and if you pass all steps you will be invited to the academy.

Take the SSA job, or library officer job, or whatever you can get until NYSPP hires you. Park police have excellent benefits, & good pay.

[DEcop989]

e d i t e d . . . .

[ImportInvasion]

Once you graduate from the academy, you will be put in one of our impact high schools. (usually) This is where you will learn how f**ked up the NYC school system is, and how bad the gang situation really is. They are everywhere, and they make life tough on the good kids. So expect to face off with them, their parents, other gang members, bosses, etc.... And yeah its very true that you will be called all kinds of titles. I get called everything from security to sarge. It all depends on who you speak to. You need tough skin for this job, as many people dont realize that you are an LEO, and some know but will purposely try to disrespect you. You will learn the proper way to address that too. Most people regret everything they have said or done once they learn the reality of who you are and what you can do. Traffic stops do happen on occasion, but not for traffic violations unless its right by the school. Since we are peace officers, we can stop a vehicle if we have cause to do so, and it has been done. Especially if we are looking for a perp and they fit the description. Most of what we do is based on discretion, and we UTILIZE OUR BACKUP!!! If patrol is what you want, you will have to request to be put on task force while your in the academy. That doesnt mean youll get it though. If not, you will have to interview later on for it. Some people do get chosen right out of the academy, but you have no choice in where they send you. Its up to the needs of the department. We also have alot of different units, and new ones are created each day. We have gang intel units, and community affairs units, etc... Job changes everyday. Just wish the money would. :rolleyes:

[DEcop989]

e d i t e d . . . .

[gbotj]

Its usually for appointment, and I think thats what its for. As long as your BI knows that if you are hired you will move to NYC within 1 month of being hired. At least thats how it is for PO.

[ImportInvasion]

Yeah, dont worry about that. You must be a NYC resident, but only upon date of appointment. Just be sure to show them something with NYC address once you get called for your first step in the process. Anybody can take the test though. Question, are you trying to tell me that they actually mailed you an invitation without you requesting it??? I knew we were in trouble, but I didnt know it was that bad. lol!!! :D By the way, we just got a new contract of 8%. Better than nothing, hopefully they can squeeze a little more before the contract gets ratified. We shall see.

[DEcop989]

No - I signed up for that test a while back. I am only now getting it - after it was useless.